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Rorschach
10-01-2009, 11:09 PM
Is there really something between us, or is she the greatest actress in the world?

This story is nothing new to most of you, guy meets PRC girl in a KTV, guy ends up liking girl.... but all of you are veterans, all of you know how complicated the circumstances can be... and how slim the possibilities that anything real can actually occur between two people in such a situation.

Is it really always the same story? Am I stupid to believe that she is different?

I just turned 30 last year and have been working in a bank for 4 years or so. Last year the financial crisis hit me particularly hard both personally and professionally, I speculated heavily in the market and lost a lot of money. Feeling down, I took to drinking and going to KTVs to unwind a little.

Not that I've never been to these places before, mind you, it's just that this time owing to the particular circumstances, I started to really get into it as it was perfect form of escapism from my woes. A dream that I was happy to fall into and not want to get out off so quickly.

The very first time I went to this joint, I noticed her from afar. She was not drop dead gorgeous, I have seen and been with prettier ones - but she was different to me at that point in time... and all this while, she has never been any different from what I first got to know her.

No stories about sick mothers, no illusions about being rescued from working in the nightclub environment.

What about money, you ask? I have spent considerable amounts of money on visiting the same joint to find her, and she has never asked me for more than what I give or hinted that she has been lacking anything. Has she ever wanted a new handphone - yes, but it has never been different from the way my ex SG-gfs have hinted they liked this perfume or that dress. I refused to buy her a phone, trying to test her, but nothing changed between us...

I have read enough of this forum to know that everyone here brands these PRC KTV girls as money grubbing, emotionally manipulative bitches. All these I know in my head, and she knows what the general impression of PRC women are like. And she knows that I know.

But one by one, my defenses have mostly crumbled down. I know that I can never fully give in and submit my heart, because I come for my daily dose of cynicism here everyday to guard myself from falling deeper.

Yet part of me truly feels something for her. She's now gone... and I miss her everyday. I think that what we had was something real, but it bugs me not to know, and I probably never will.

.... story to be continued

colins
11-01-2009, 06:07 AM
Is there really something between us, or is she the greatest actress in the world?

......

Yet part of me truly feels something for her. She's now gone... and I miss her everyday. I think that what we had was something real, but it bugs me not to know, and I probably never will.


When our mind is in search of an escape from reality, as in your case due to your lost, we readily hang on to something we take as reality. Many of us in our daily lives are not living in realism, as a matter of fact, only those who have been on the ground for a long time worrying about bread and butter issues everyday tend to be more realistic. I think in that sense, WLs are more realistic than a lot of us, simply becos their circumstance are forcing them towards that direction.

So in that context, while we see many WL of high expectation as to the money they earn, they are in fact, a more clear minded lot than we are. They have high hopes for their own future, and are willing to do whatever they can to earn it. Comparing our mind with them, we have a distinct disadvantage - they know what we want and how we try to do it, we know what they want BUT can rarely predict how they do it. So if we go in looking for escapism and they go in looking for more realism, that's it, we will lose ourselves.

To cut it short and answer your question, yes to you there is something between you and her. To her, there is something as well. But we can be very sure your 'something' is different from her 'something' and you got to be satisfied with this cos this is the only answer you can ever find out, as you are too confused to know. As to acting, the only answer is, we are all actors and actresses. Only our own intention is real. So if I know your intention and your words and body language defeats it, then you are acting. How to know the intention? Go back to the clear mind thingy.

If you still cannot find out her intention after a long time, then your question should be; am I too stupid to know or am I just lying to myself becos I NEED the answer to be something else other than the truth. The only part that is bugging you, friend, is that you still couldn't accept that she is not what she seems to be, becos 1. you dun want to accept 2. you need to believe in something sweet. Both reasons say that you are looking for a comfort zone, and her presence put you out of it, so thats why it bugs you.

Take care, the feeling will pass very soon. ;)

tanterry
11-01-2009, 09:26 AM
Bro, my advice is to make it clear to her that you will go for pay as per bonk and maybe give a small gift on her brithday as bonus if she performs exceptionally well :D

your quote here is the first indication of famous KC trap haha The very first time I went to this joint, I noticed her from afar. She was not drop dead gorgeous, I have seen and been with prettier ones - but she was different to me at that point in time... and all this while, she has never been any different from what I first got to know her.

yinyang
11-01-2009, 09:44 AM
When our mind is in search of an escape from reality, as in your case due to your lost, we readily hang on to something we take as reality.
As to acting, the only answer is, we are all actors and actresses. Only our own intention is real. .
only part that is bugging you, friend, is that you still couldn't accept that she is not what she seems to be, becos 1. you dun want to acc..ept 2. you need to believe in something sweet. Both reasons say that you are looking for a comfort zone, and her presence put you out of it, so thats why it bugs you.

Good perspective:) Life's a stage in more ways than 1:p

Hulunbeier
11-01-2009, 11:05 AM
Bro Colins

Wah...u very powerful leh....

I oso look at this way cause my horse said "she wanna work" on her final night and I seriously think she very focussed on what she wanted. Very very different from us seriously, even money to us is available but she wanna make that short timing to accumulate more. She does not say U want me rest, Pay me lor...

But after a session last night, buddies told me hey go Zhu Hai, the gals are better, than we may want to make that judgement. Looks like both of us (banker and me) need to upgrade and sense the env differently.

Absolute
11-01-2009, 11:18 AM
Comparing our mind with them, we have a distinct disadvantage - they know what we want and how we try to do it, we know what they want BUT can rarely predict how they do it. So if we go in looking for escapism and they go in looking for more realism, that's it, we will lose ourselves.



Very insightful and philosophical view, colins. Enjoy seeing it from your perspective, not just the one quoted above

Just to add on to the quote above, not many clear-minded Singaporean men here know what the PRC women want. Many must have thought that the PRC women are looking for love too. If it is really for love, they would have got it in mainland China. Are you more handsome than their billion-population males? Are you more communicative than their billion-population males? They came here to earn money and remit their hard-earned money to their love ones at home.

Unfortunately many Singaporean men still believed that many of these PRC women are looking for the matured and stable males for serious relationship. I dare say that many of these PRC women will reveal to all the gullible Singaporean men that they are currently having problem with their boyfriends or husbands in China or have broken up with their lovers already. This is where the vulnerable gentle Singaporean men come in and become the "emotional ballast" of the PRC women.

Keep believing, Singaporean men, if you feel better living in dreams.

rete700i
11-01-2009, 07:42 PM
Hey my dear pathetic profane, this is the Matters of the Heart forum. You having problem with your eyesight? :confused:


Hey dicky, this is Adult Discussions about Sex or Matters of the Heart? :confused:

cablesnwires
11-01-2009, 10:27 PM
...

If you still cannot find out her intention after a long time, then your question should be; am I too stupid to know or am I just lying to myself becos I NEED the answer to be something else other than the truth. The only part that is bugging you, friend, is that you still couldn't accept that she is not what she seems to be, becos 1. you dun want to accept 2. you need to believe in something sweet. Both reasons say that you are looking for a comfort zone, and her presence put you out of it, so thats why it bugs you.

Take care, the feeling will pass very soon. ;)

Bro colins, you really hit the nail in the spot. Unless you are able to deal with the reasons, you will always be bugged.

Rorschach
11-01-2009, 11:43 PM
Thanks all for replying to this thread. I don't think that my situation is unique and I appreciate all the advice given - the laojiaos here probably have repeated their viewpoints countless times to others so I am thankful that people are giving this thread attention at all.

(cont'd)
She cannot be different, how could she be? She works in a nightclub, she entertains men every single night of the week. Men who are like you and I, who go to these places just wanting to have a good time. Who enjoy the company of attractive women who pour our drinks for us, light up our cigarettes, and who wrap themselves into our often roaming hands.

Maybe she isn't exactly a typical GRO, (she's one of those singers in a HFJ btw), but aren't these girls just marketing themselves differently? Meat is meat, beef is beef.... between wagyu beef and just normal beef, the fact that these girls have come to SG to work and should know what they are in for, working in a nightclub. And it comes down to the very practical reality that money and hope of a better life is exactly why they are here.

Which is why I started out getting to know her with my personal idea of, "entertain me sufficiently, make me leave the place happy, and I will tip you generously..." I thought that by using money as my shield, as my defence against any KC trap, I would be sufficiently protected from anything she can try to pull on me.

However, it didn't work very well on her. Maybe she could feel that I was being a stone cold bastard, maybe I made unflattering comments to put her down, maybe it just didn't make me a very interesting customer.

Maybe.

After about two or three weeks, I grew tired of this lack of progress with her. She seemed genuinely uninterested in sitting with me, obviously it was her job to continue entertaining me but there was no real communication between us. I felt that many times, it was just me holding her chain and while she could not escape this chain of hers, she would rather have someone else hold it.

I decided to give it a rest and give it up as a lost cause, because borrowing from that analogy, there is no point caging a bird if it does not sing for you. Girls in these types of places are easily exchangeable, are they not?

Then came the turning point. Call me stubborn or what, but she continued to fill my thoughts for the next week or so. I thought about it and realized that if I was really interested in her, I should have treated her as a bit more human instead. Perhaps I could get what I wanted from her (and at this point, it wasn't sex I was after, I just wanted to feel her positive feelings towards me) if I acted a bit more human myself.

Whether this was the right thing to do or not, I will continue in the next saga.... but to give readers an idea of what happened next, I want to say that it wasn't a 180 degree attitude change from her immediately. It took time, effort and money on my side to let her know that I was serious about generating these positive feelings between her and myself.

I probably fell somewhere along the way into this state of confusion. I still remember her kisses, often so sweet and so endearing as her body trembled like a leaf in the soft breeze, caused me to lose part of my soul. The flash of righteous anger in her eyes as I joked about how I would be going to other joints with my buddies and get other girls to keep me company.

The shrug of resignation and sadness in her voice as she accepts that I can do whatever I want outside.

"Yes, you are a Singaporean man, and I am only just a PRC girl."

BlurWolfe
11-01-2009, 11:50 PM
Bro Rorschach, now its the time for you return to reality, after receiving so many consultations from senior bros.

Always remember that the one and only objective for these PRC is to make as much $$$ as possible during their time, you had supported her enough even during this economy downturn, or may be thats why she didnt open alligator mouth to demand this and that.

slider_72
12-01-2009, 11:18 AM
Bro TS, what you went through is strikingly similar to what a number of us have gone through before. I am one such example.

Felt something for a WL, thought that what we had was real and when she left, I felt confused thinking that I need a closure to that episode, that I needed to know whether she felt the same way about me or was it merely great acting on her part.

After much reflection, and after a period of time, I realised that all these are merely illusory. By the word "these", I mean the supposed feeling of love you have for her, and the need to know whether she "loved" you in return.

Why do I say they are merely illusory. That is because you did not fall in love with her in the first place. You merely thought that you did. In times of stress, as you rightly pointed out, most people will look to some other distraction as a form of escapism. In your case (and for me previously as well), the distraction and escapism came in the form of a lovely PRC woman.

You set up your own comfort zone and created your own world. Retreating into this world is like Alice going into wonderland. It takes your mind away from your real world problems.

You will have to address the root problem or else you will be tormented with this issue for a period of time without any light at the end of the tunnel.

The second illusion I mentioned is the perceived need to find a closure. I struggled with that for a while in the past. One fine day it dawned upon me that whether she was really in love with me was not important to me at all. When faced with a problem, our confidence level takes a hit. By trying to get the WL to develop feelings for you, I think sub-consciously what you are trying to do is to re-validate yourself.

As a test, ask yourself this question, if she is still in Singapore, (assuming you are still single) in your heart of hearts, do you think you will take this relationship further and marry her? If you do not see marriage as a distinct possibility, so what if she is in love with you. It is no skin off your nose even if she merely regards your relationship as a monetary transaction. Nett result is this; why should you give a shit whether she was in love with you or not?

And by way of an illustration, once I smsed a PRC WL jokingly saying that all women are alike, that they love to have men go gaga over them. Her response was that it gives them a sense of achievement. While both comments were made in jest, there is a certain element of truth in it and it is applicable in your case in seeking for a closure. If you ask yourself, why do you need to know if she really fell in love with you? Is it because you invested a great deal in her and felt that you needed to "achieve" something?

While I do not think that it is wrong to have these PRC WLs as a distraction from everyday stressful living, it becomes a problem once they become an obsession. Please bear in mind, they are merely entertainment only. Do not develop any emotional attachments. I know that this is easier said than done. I am still in the process of learning how to achieve this.

pewpew
12-01-2009, 12:44 PM
Imagine going to the same joint everytime with only "HER" sitting with u during her "FREE" time whereas u sitting alone while she running around yet hoping that "You" are special is what most of the bros here thought previously until we ganna hit HARD by reality.

Seeing her in the arms of other guys while u walk your way towards the gent makes your heart ache... thinking "Sigh, its alright, she have to earn money..."

Receiving her sms regularly with "have u eaten? wat r u doing? etc" makes u feel special that she cares for u...

These are the questions i keep asking myself when i m chionging until recently i met a PRC girl who doesn't talks to me abt present, abt money or abt her family and even though she knows i fool around outside, she doesn't mind as long as i give her a call like once a week...

Frankly speaking, 99% of the girls working are not worth the time n effort but if u are really lucky, the special 1% can be found if u puts in effort.

Good luck bro :cool:

Spud_Boy
12-01-2009, 02:28 PM
Imagine going to the same joint everytime with only "HER" sitting with u during her "FREE" time whereas u sitting alone while she running around yet hoping that "You" are special is what most of the bros here thought previously until we ganna hit HARD by reality.

Seeing her in the arms of other guys while u walk your way towards the gent makes your heart ache... thinking "Sigh, its alright, she have to earn money..."

Receiving her sms regularly with "have u eaten? wat r u doing? etc" makes u feel special that she cares for u...

These are the questions i keep asking myself when i m chionging until recently i met a PRC girl who doesn't talks to me abt present, abt money or abt her family and even though she knows i fool around outside, she doesn't mind as long as i give her a call like once a week...

Frankly speaking, 99% of the girls working are not worth the time n effort but if u are really lucky, the special 1% can be found if u puts in effort.

Good luck bro :cool:

bro pew pew.. your words have brought enlightenment to me..

in a similar situation except mine's a VN.. time for me to keep my rationality..

thanks!

jnlover
12-01-2009, 04:26 PM
Very good insights... 1 of my best buddy is also slowly but surely getting himself entangled in it... sign.

Guess I would have to learn more from the brothers here to guide him through it :(

uncletoby
12-01-2009, 06:20 PM
fuck and forget. love and lust and two different things. If u guys think that yours is the "true love" jus do a simple test. Sms your prc gal whom u think loves u saying u have lost alot of $$$ in biz. U will than find out how true your love is. :D

slider_72
12-01-2009, 06:30 PM
fuck and forget. love and lust and two different things. If u guys think that yours is the "true love" jus do a simple test. Sms your prc gal whom u think loves u saying u have lost alot of $$$ in biz. U will than find out how true your love is. :D

All the PRC WLs know this trick liao. Me think we must come up with something a bit more creative.

Willie
12-01-2009, 06:34 PM
fuck and forget. love and lust and two different things. If u guys think that yours is the "true love" jus do a simple test. Sms your prc gal whom u think loves u saying u have lost alot of $$$ in biz. U will than find out how true your love is. :D

no need to test also know lah, love - wait long long, more like lies all the time. but some are really damn cock also. had this prc whom i know for some time, called me just yesterday morning and said that she lost her handphone and wanted me to send her some money to help her, i told her let me think about it and will call her back. of course, didn't bother to call her back and she sent me a msg kpkb with another phone at 1am this morning. next thing - an hour later, her good friend used her supposedly lost handphone to msg me to say that she is drunk and doesn't know what she is doing. all prc whores see us only as money trees whenever they lay eyes on us. f&*k them hard and make them work real hard for our money:D

colins
12-01-2009, 06:34 PM
fuck and forget. love and lust and two different things. If u guys think that yours is the "true love" jus do a simple test. Sms your prc gal whom u think loves u saying u have lost alot of $$$ in biz. U will than find out how true your love is. :D

Hahaha...all WLs answer this question just like a graduate taking a pre-school paper. ;)

pewpew
12-01-2009, 06:36 PM
SG guys trend = Fuck & Forget (Old school)

PRC Girl = Chop, Chop and Chop

Oceanlee
12-01-2009, 08:31 PM
There is always a Few thing to remember ....

Old school of thoughts .. but New Creative and New Method.
I just share abit ..... 1 methods.

For a start ... KC is the begining, smoothe and snooke abit. Once you are more or less clear about her take 10% of what she had been telling you and asking the same thing over in different ways ... and you hear the link in between and you know the holes. Before placing the bets for the next layer.

I purposely walk along the intention and lay a KC ....to test, If your MMs feel that you are angry ... she will take care of your feelins ... than you know the direction to move onz .... if need further confirmation, then you just ignore her ... to spice up .. see if she SMS U ... if she do means ....something is there, but how to make sure ... completely dun reply her and give 02 weeks time frame ... if she comes back to you or call U backs then the approach from her will be dif, and she will put in alots of effortz.... dun make it easy ... but yet take it as it is and move on.

this is 1st step "第一招"... 投石问路.... dun take it 100% as seal. No such thing at these step, but certainly can take 25% of whatever she said. And you must notice the changes in her and improvement.
(buying things of common needs are alright, but not Big items yet)
It all depends on the level of comfortable n yourself.

Hulunbeier
12-01-2009, 09:11 PM
U struggle with this Question........
Is there something really special between you n her ...or is she the world's greatest actress?



Can I move on to the concluding part....she is the world's greatest actress.

I am also in a kinda of stupid situation like u and I also wanna conclude the acting part. But many times you will weigh the situation and the response from the situation look so real...not Alice...and makes u wonder?

So gentlemen, trials test or even cross examinations...looks a bit unfair to the PRC but normally they excel. Maybe we have forgotten ourselves. Just think of this stupid situation I was at...in fact I posted on this....

One day I was driving wanting to meet her and said what if I just appeared in front of you...response was so what...I told myself damn it..not romantic and normally movies dun turn out such answers...

Well I took her out some days later and explained I was really angry cause the reply is so unprofessional...but she said....looked...remember u did suddenly appear in front of me when u were looking for me in the afternoon...so she said if u suddenly appear in front of me..I am no longer surprised cause I done that before.

Yeah...we wanna give them a situation and wanted the kind of Movies replies (I know it is a pack of lies but now is a little difficult to differentiate) and the response disappoint u cause u had just forgotten that she had taken that test before! Smile!

I appreciate the many experienced guys who share their notes here and often using key words...u guys are really nice...even chiongster but also take care of brothers! Salute!


I am also struggling with this question too!
But I am also doing the same thing...develop positive feelings towards me! Following closely to the saga.

colins
12-01-2009, 09:48 PM
....
One day I was driving wanting to meet her and said what if I just appeared in front of you...response was so what...I told myself damn it..not romantic and normally movies dun turn out such answers...

Well I took her out some days later and explained I was really angry cause the reply is so unprofessional...but she said....looked...remember u did suddenly appear in front of me when u were looking for me in the afternoon...so she said if u suddenly appear in front of me..I am no longer surprised cause I done that before.

Yeah...we wanna give them a situation and wanted the kind of Movies replies (I know it is a pack of lies but now is a little difficult to differentiate) and the response disappoint u cause u had just forgotten that she had taken that test before! Smile!

I am also struggling with this question too!
But I am also doing the same thing...develop positive feelings towards me! Following closely to the saga.

HUH?:confused:

DO_I_BJ
12-01-2009, 10:08 PM
i believe if you guys are still spending money on them and not getting ur ROI. you are KCed. simple. Hard to swallow but its the truth.

colins
12-01-2009, 10:58 PM
Wah lau eh, at this rate that we are going, really reminds me of a witch hunt. Sooner or later someone's gonna come out and say, hey once you hear the name of this particular WL, you're dead KC-ed.

But to be frank, is that possible? I think yes.... hahaha:D

BlurWolfe
12-01-2009, 11:21 PM
I think there was a thread on this issue before, right?

They are just taking the men for granted.

i believe if you guys are still spending money on them and not getting ur ROI. you are KCed. simple. Hard to swallow but its the truth.

HCKing
12-01-2009, 11:26 PM
Can I move on to the concluding part....she is the world's greatest actress.

I am also in a kinda of stupid situation like u and I also wanna conclude the acting part. But many times you will weigh the situation and the response from the situation look so real...not Alice...and makes u wonder?

this is exactly hw i felt when i 1st went chiong, everything looks so real and motivating, never in my life had i thought i would be so charming in the eyes of a girl. this girl sure gt good taste, she is DIFFERENT.

So gentlemen, trials test or even cross examinations...looks a bit unfair to the PRC but normally they excel. Maybe we have forgotten ourselves. Just think of this stupid situation I was at...in fact I posted on this....

One day I was driving wanting to meet her and said what if I just appeared in front of you...response was so what...I told myself damn it..not romantic and normally movies dun turn out such answers...

this is wat bro DYBJ often referred to as self-KC. 'movies' only appear in 'cinemas', and u need to buy a ticket to watch one.

I am also struggling with this question too!
But I am also doing the same thing...develop positive feelings towards me! Following closely to the saga.

so wat u plan to do next?:confused:

Rorschach
13-01-2009, 12:40 AM
I may have mentioned that her kisses seem real. Soft, lithe, tender just like the fair skin on her body. The way her face becomes a picture of quiet calm, as if reliving the previous kiss that we shared when we finally break away. Can these physical reactions be brought about without an emotional foundation?

I don't know. All I know was that she ignored every other customer in the joint when I am around and gave me her fullest attention. The way her eyes danced in what seems to be to be unbridled joy to see me again after a period of absence.

Yes, much has been spoken about the illusions we create for ourselves in times of despondency in order to lift ourselves up. Our self-esteem is boosted by the fact that these attractive girls flatter and give us so much attention for comparatively so little investment on our side.

We know they do it for a living, but I no longer wanted to keep taking, but I wanted to give, and observe just how much she would take from me.

And I was not disappointed for a second. Beyond the little meals that we had, and the buying of all the weird offal that they love for her jiemeis to dabao back to her little flat, she never asked once for anything more.

When I went to Taiwan for a business trip and asked her if she would like anything, she said simply, anything you buy for me is fine. I ended up spending about $1400 on some jewelry for her and upon receiving it, she merely remarked that she wished I didn't spend so much money on her.
..................................

Tonight, just tonight I have been weak. Writing this story out made me miss her twice as much as I do on normal days, and I picked up my phone to hear her voice. She has gone back home, with vague promises that one day she will return... and I think to myself, to do what? Yet I almost do not mind that it is almost certain she will be returning to the life that she couldn't stand whether it be here in Singapore, or Zhuhai, or Guangzhou...... Just to be able to see her again. Shakespeare said it best in A Midsummer's Night Dream to describe people like us.... "Lord, what fools these mortals be!"

And then it comes back to me. I remember the scent of her hair, the way she looked at me, eyes peering over the cover of the bedsheet that she pulled away from me on the bed that we shared. I remember.

And I realize that the only thing that stops me from descending into this abyss that I brought upon myself is the fact that I understand that this relationship was forged in my time of darkness, and the shadows that follow this saga will undoubtedly grow longer with time.

I cannot and will not let that happen to me.

But meanwhile, my heart cries out with its own voice, desperately wanting to feel her near me again.

warbird
13-01-2009, 10:04 AM
I may have mentioned that her kisses seem real. Soft, lithe, tender just like the fair skin on her body. The way her face becomes a picture of quiet calm, as if reliving the previous kiss that we shared when we finally break away. Can these physical reactions be brought about without an emotional foundation?

.........................................

Tonight, just tonight I have been weak. Writing this story out made me miss her twice as much as I do on normal days, and I picked up my phone to hear her voice. She has gone back home, with vague promises that one day she will return... and I think to myself, to do what? Yet I almost do not mind that it is almost certain she will be returning to the life that she couldn't stand whether it be here in Singapore, or Zhuhai, or Guangzhou...... Just to be able to see her again. Shakespeare said it best in A Midsummer's Night Dream to describe people like us.... "Lord, what fools these mortals be!"

And then it comes back to me. I remember the scent of her hair, the way she looked at me, eyes peering over the cover of the bedsheet that she pulled away from me on the bed that we shared. I remember.

.................................................

But meanwhile, my heart cries out with its own voice, desperately wanting to feel her near me again.

Hi bro,

A very good "love" story. Pls continue.

When u wrote "I picked up my phone to hear her voice," I assume that u called n spoke w/ her. What is she telling u now?

I hv kept in touch w/ a fair no. of MMs after their return to PRC. Most of them hv asked for gifts n money, sooner or later, haha. To be fair to them, almost all of my relatives n frens (male) use false pretenses to request for money!!:eek:

slider_72
13-01-2009, 10:06 AM
Bro Rorschach, noticed that there is so much angst in your message. Let it go bro. Clinging on to such a dream will only do you damage. Remember, it is nothing more than a dream, something that you must wake up from, sooner rather than later.

You need to take your mind off her. You are already at the edge of the abyss. See how she is affecting you even though she is not around. Perhaps the next time we organise an outing, you should join us for a few drinks, and check out other ladies of the night. Heck, it worked for me the last time. :D

pewpew
13-01-2009, 10:22 AM
Bro, from her point of view is INVESTMENT
for you its Relationship (companion)

Just for your info, my wish for this year

HOPING TO BE LOVE AND NOT LOVING ANYMORE

Since you are so educated to quote those constructive words, you should know how tiring n painful it is to contribute to a relationship so why not just let it slowly dense away?

DO_I_BJ
13-01-2009, 11:29 AM
actually its not angst i feel .slider.. but just emptiness. void of something.
bro roach....you know she want nothing from you. feelings.. money anything.
basically she don't love you la. U want her to love you? can. you gotta spend time on her just like how u would chase an sg girl. But is it worth it? You weigh the pros and cons of this type of r/s. But what do you really love bout her. If you can't mention anything. Maybe its just an infatuation. Many a time we mistake infatuation for love.. If you are so deadon on seeing her again. fly over there to find her lo. But mind you. this way can either kill you hurt you or make you very happy for a while. Or the last option move on. You are an adult. You make decisions on your wellbeing. later.

slider_72
13-01-2009, 11:37 AM
If you are so deadon on seeing her again. fly over there to find her lo. But mind you. this way can either kill you hurt you or make you very happy for a while. Or the last option move on. You are an adult. You make decisions on your wellbeing. later.

Bro, if he does fly over to visit her, it will make him very happy for a short while, then it will hurt and kill him. In his current emotional state, going to visit her in China is the last thing he should ever think about.

For someone in his current state of mind, he will only read the part of your post about going over to visit her. The caveat about being hurt or killed in so doing will simply not register in his mind.

DO_I_BJ
13-01-2009, 12:23 PM
but at least goin over to see her will make him less miserable as of it is now. sometimes people need to go through things to learn. We can tell him so much but overall its still the learning process of going through certain experience be it trouble or good things to mould a person. We can have the right answers for him but he don't learn anything. he just apply the answers and learn nothing. I rather he go through all the troubles find the answers and apply. You can say it might kill him. but what doesn't kill a man makes him stronger right? You either die in finding the answers or end up stronger by not dying. Sometimes we need to bite the dust on the ground then we will learn.

DO_YOU_BJ
13-01-2009, 12:42 PM
Sometimes we need to bite the dust on the ground then we will learn.
Agreed.
But some dumb fucks become dust still never learn!
So, pls stop looking for excuses to endorse this action!
Just becos you're heading up!!!!!!!!!!!!

warbird
13-01-2009, 12:53 PM
Going over to see her in PRC might be very therapeutic for TS. He longs for her embraces n kisses becos she is far away, beyond his reach...:(

Spending some time w/ her could break the chain of craving n infatuation.

The moral of the story? Learn to KC PRC MMs w/o getting KCed yourself, haha. That will take formidable emotional control. Lao Zi was right when he said: He who can control others is powerful, but he who can control himself is mightier yet.:cool:

Good day!!

FBDfkingBIGdick
13-01-2009, 01:08 PM
im not a lao jiao or a very experience guy .. but imho .. i think at the end of the day she is still a ktv girls so i believe it not that easy and possiable to really get into a serious relationship with her ..

DO_I_BJ
13-01-2009, 02:19 PM
Agreed.
But some dumb fucks become dust still never learn!
So, pls stop looking for excuses to endorse this action!
Just becos you're heading up!!!!!!!!!!!!

i agree im heading up. maybe i need a lesson or 2. im not giving excuses to endorse this action. if we just apply answers to everything without learning, one fine day another same situation will happen and we will all fall one way or another again.

DTCEPL
13-01-2009, 02:55 PM
Lao Zi was right when he said: He who can control others is powerful, but he who can control himself is mightier yet.

佛祖刚出生,还没修成正果前,一手指天,一手指地:天地为我独尊!那是希望人能够度內众生.

Just sharing similar teachings extracted with my limited understanding on Buddhism.

pewpew
13-01-2009, 03:54 PM
佛祖刚出生,还没修成正果前,一手指天,一手指地:天地为我独尊!那是希望人能够度內众生.

Just sharing similar teachings extracted with my limited understanding on Buddhism.

Wa bro, long time no hear from u...

Did u just return from being a monk? :D

DTCEPL
13-01-2009, 04:32 PM
Wa bro, long time no hear from u...

Did u just return from being a monk? :D

Paiseh, have been busy with work lately, thanks for your concern Bro Pewpew.;)

colins
13-01-2009, 04:53 PM
Bro Rorschach, sounds like you are now still very deep. In fact it seems that at the moment, without her, you have nothing. While we can talk till cow come home abt your decision to see her again or not, I believe you will. Whether it is you going up or she returning to sg again, it is immaterial. If we just focus on whether someone should fly up to cure the yearning for a few days, we may be missing the point. The point is, what do you want to do with this relationship of yours. Make your decision soon and make one that suits you.

In reality, when relationships get its start in the nightscene, you gotta ask yourself what are the chances of finding love. Compare yourself before and after this relationship, what is YOUR chances of surviving this? Contrary to what DO I BJ said, there are some of us who may not survive, we cannot assume that this won't kill us. Kill doesn't mean ending the physical life, it can also mean this person stops living from then on, becos he lost all hopes and confidence in himself. And this is possible in your case becos your own future can change becos of this relationship. It may not be scary now, but if you ever consider the butterfly effect it has on your life 10-20 yrs down the road, you may not be able to accept its impact on you.

I dun know your background, income, assets and education. But you cannot possibly be just a simple man. A woman can give love and be with you until you die, but still bear the intention to marry you for one and only reason which is enjoy life. That means that if ever you become poor, she will leave you. With that exception, she can be your wife for life. The difference is, how are you going to maintain a woman who only feels secured having money, and not love. It can only be either one as priority. Of cos, having both is good and that's why you can still argue that you sensed love. You already met her first priority what, so now she wants love and she gives love. But whenever your first priority diminishes, like you not giving her enough material comfort or the promise of material comfort, her love becomes less and you start to see that she now concentrates on asking for security. Even if you decide on a divorce, the women's charter still require you to be responsible for her security. So as a man, with love or no love, woman has all incentives to reach in to feel your pockets before marrying you.

Comparatively, given the earlier thoughts, it is much harder to look for a woman who sticks with you even while you are poor. That is a woman with love as priority. Think about it, can she be the one? Do you trust her to be the one? Yes or no, do you even need to prove that she can be one?

In life, no way anybody can prove that in an experiment, even she may not know until it happens. But bro, that is the mystery of life as human beings. It is the uncertainties that make us live, make us hope, make us better, at the same time, make us weak, make us insecure, make us improvise.

I know you are very deeply in love now, and as a result, also deeply in conflicts with yourself. The distance between your Mind and Heart gives you lots of stress. But I hope you give it a thought for a while. Then come back and post your perspective. ;)

colins
13-01-2009, 04:54 PM
佛祖刚出生,还没修成正果前,一手指天,一手指地:天地为我独尊!那是希望人能够度內众生.

Just sharing similar teachings extracted with my limited understanding on Buddhism.

那是希望人能够度內众生 - Buddha din say this when he was born, dude.

DTCEPL
13-01-2009, 05:23 PM
那是希望人能够度內众生 - Buddha din say this when he was born, dude.

Yeah he didn't.

Enjoy guys.....going back to work again......Happy 2009.

DO_I_BJ
13-01-2009, 05:51 PM
hey colin. agree with you. TS should think for himself. anyway if we don't learn from setbacks, how are we gonna learn something by words or knowledge from another person? People come to this section for answers. The bros here give advice. The person follows suit. Another problem happened again. advice given again. Person follows suit. Its like finding answers to a problem but not knowing where the problem lies. If we don't know how the problem arises how are we able to fix it. I rmb you telling me we need to fix ourselves 1st in order to fix our other problems. (is it? or i mistook you for someone else). Yes im heading to china to find her. I want to go through certain things to know certain things. I know some of you guys don't agree. But my resolve is i need to learn myself. hard way or easy way. May it i have lost some money, some time, gone through some sleepless shit just to see the truth. Or i might just get lost in a dreamland. The main thing is if i don't experience it for myself. I would never know, never felt, never understand certain things.

slider_72
13-01-2009, 06:25 PM
Bro DIBJ, put it this way, there is no right or wrong answer, as one answer may be right for A but may be wrong for B.

Your view, which I respect, about not fully understanding the problem unless you experience the heartache yourself may not be applicable to one and all.

TS' problem based on his posts, appear to be him clinging on to his comfort zone after facing a particular stressful period in his life. He also recognised that this is escapism on his part. I suspect that like me in the past, he too knows what is the problem and what is the best solution vis-a-vis the girl. The problem for him is not the girl but himself. Seeing that girl again in China is not going to solve his problem, instead, chances are it will aggrevate his problems.

My view is that it would be better for him to go cold turkey where this girl is concerned. Focus his energy on something else to overcome the financial crisis. Do something positive instead of wallowing in grief. Otherwise TS will eventually become a very bitter and broken man.

DO_I_BJ
13-01-2009, 07:04 PM
My view is that it would be better for him to go cold turkey where this girl is concerned. Focus his energy on something else to overcome the financial crisis. Do something positive instead of wallowing in grief. Otherwise TS will eventually become a very bitter and broken man.

i agree with you. :D

Chances that going china will aggrevate his problem. yes of course. its' always the extreme end of a person's trouble when one starts to wake up. Some wake up before the trouble starts, some wake up during the trouble, some wakeup when the trouble's over and some don't even wakeup whether there's trouble or not. U r correct. there's no right or wrong answer. Headaches can be cured by paracetamol, ponstan, mefenemic acid, morphine, cannabis... etc.

Hulunbeier
13-01-2009, 08:24 PM
But meanwhile, my heart cries out with its own voice, desperately wanting to feel her near me again.

Bro Rorschach

Think u r seeking companionship as I certainly think u r very comfortable w her as she seems to understand u inside out....as a matter of fact both of u guys can Clique!

I dun think the physical urge from u to demand x is critical that is when u see her u just wanna fornicate. I would say u only wanna embrace her and just wanna hear how both of u guys are coping in lives...even if there is hardship dun think either one can give advice how to resolve.

U miss her oh yes I can fully comprehend cause mine also gone back for Spring Holidays. I search some website and chance upon a blog requesting for English teachings near her place of birth...whow..wanted to volunteer too but think not practical cause still got to work here and how to juggle that kind of volunteer work.

But one question I keep asking myself is if she has close brushes with the law....am I ready to stand up for her??? Till now I dun have the answer and most likely I cannot stand up for her. Yeah maybe she can understand...but man this is not a movie by Andy Lau so DO I need to hype her up and make my stance clear??? Again no answer. At times I challenged such questions and in the end think my friends around me will advise haiz...affair is affair....dun be so serious ok. But how to when one is oredi involved? The stupid Hulunbeier.

This thread is getting more n more interesting. And all bros are pretty vocal and has provided good advise ....advice.

DO_YOU_BJ
13-01-2009, 08:58 PM
Do remember how everything started.
Why so easy to click...knn all the initial partorlogy also skip liao.......so foundation missing something
Next, look inside you, before she appeared, what were you always hoping for?
After you met her, what were you hoping for then?????????
It's all within....a man who knows himself is a formidable opponent......
A man who not knows himself is not even qualified to be an opponent

Read up several posts...how people will lie to themselves.....even got the NUTS to quote its from Buddha's mouth......wow....i wouldn't want to know how's he'll be punished for this...a clear result of how a Love for a PRC will fuck your head up FOREVER!!!!!!!!

Also read up several posts earlier, you'll see how some use lies and instill its the truth..........so that they can have a clean slate to proclaim their actions are justifiable!

Love...wat is love?????
The usual shit, i go bankrupt liao blah blah...old tricks...doesnt work anymore.........

If the love is REAL, you wont be going thru wat you're goin thru now.

Bottomline, for thread starter.....good luck...for going up will make things worse than it is already now.
Guarantee you go up come back sure siao liao wan!!!!!!!!!!!!

For DTCEPL, looks like this new year is not a new but old year for you instead.......1st you come in, lie about what Buddha said to justify your state, then kenna slime...then 逃避

For DO I BJ, as usual, we know each other too well....yours & my posts...we also know who's toking kok and who isn't........but its ok....we both know you well.........like what sifu said, since your mind and determination is so weak...you have to pay the price your entire life...........u know all these so please dun BS your crap here about not having the chance to learn...cos you already bitten once when you went up!!!!!!!!!!

See my friends...people in situations like these...have one FREAKING thing in common...they have problem identifying the TRUTH......for lies are real and real are lies to them............all have a common trait...anything STRESS.....逃避!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, how can these people know themselves if they can't even differentiate truth from lies?????
Fucking PATHETIC BUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

Rorschach
13-01-2009, 09:34 PM
Thank you bros. I would love to respond to each and everyone of you personally but for the past few nights I've been in my 'element', where I write as a form of catharsis. Thank you all for indulging me, in the very first post I have already said that this story is not new, but these feelings are all real and true to me, and I appreciate your time and advice.

When I run out of words to write, I will lay my keyboard to rest, and I will join the band of brothers here to give advice on how to overcome. In the meanwhile, the saga continues....

I hope you all enjoy my style of writing, it's strange, but getting into all these with a PRC girl, I realize, has made me lose part of myself. And through writing, I regain some strength and idea of who I am again.

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"Who am I to her?" - is a question that many men who are involved with these dragon ladies have to ask. In my case, she is a nightingale, a 夜莺, not only because she sings beautifully but she works in the nightclub scene.

As mentioned by bro DYBJ in another thread, 在夜场里发生的感情,哪里会有好下场的? I have repeated this line in my head as I pound the treadmill in the gym, sometimes angry, often frustrated, knowing that the fact that she is a singer in a KTV joint should send a warning bell into my head that there is no future. There should not even be any HOPE of a real relationship. But as you all know, hope is often our greatest enemy.

Maybe I should have cut my losses early on. But where I work, numbers speak the truth. I had no financial model to quantify how she felt about me, or how high her interest level was. And it was a happy time for the two of us. It was impossible for me to say whether this was a losing position at that point in time, and I held on, enjoying the ride for every single moment it lasted.

So we come back to the question of, "Who am I to her?" Was I her friend hoping to transition into a lover? Some guys like to do that, offer emotional support and hope to get grateful sex from the girl. (I personally don't know if this works as I have never tried it...)

Or are we merely their sponsors? Flash enough cash, pay off her rent, pay off her debts incurred while coming to Singapore to work... With enough money, one can seemingly have anything. I guess if all of us had enough money, we could all own our own harem. And their affections to boot, provided we give them enough security.

However I approached this with Western ideals of romance. While I recognized that money is very important, I saw it as a means to an end. i now understand that to the Chinese mind, money is almost everything as it means security for her and her family.

Money to me was also merely something to smooth the path of romance that I felt was building up between us. We discussed once about how big the world was beyond Asia, and I could see how enthralled she was as I went to describe to her the lights of Paris, the glitter of Vegas, and the millions of diamonds floating on top of the Mediterranean Sea in summer.

In short, I hope that I fulfilled the role of a lover. And if there are any other men in her life, I can only hope that they were friends, or they were her sponsors. For knowing that she treated another man the way she treated me becomes slightly too hard to bear.

Fact is, I am probably not a beautiful and unique snowflake. Why would I be any different to her, I am just like every other man she has met while in the business, wanting to come out to have fun with the girls while our partners remain oblivious.

As I mentioned - western ideals of romance. I wanted to find out everything about her, her childhood, her family. And she was happy to talk, I watched her recount her happy memories and felt at peace, knowing that this was something real about her. But I was blind to forget about the parts she glossed over, like what was she doing for the past few years. Infatuation at that point in time? Definitely.

"I saw little scars on her forearm, and realized that she cut herself. And when pressed for the reasons why, she shook her head and refused to talk. So be it. Whatever she used to be in the past, she was now my nightingale and I conveniently ignored it...."
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Bros, you are right. There is no 未来, no future for this kind of relationship. She was a convenient distraction, a pleasant dream that I am clinging onto because I fear moving on will be too difficult. For months, I used her as much as she probably used me (in whatever way, it really doesn't matter now). I was able to kill the weeks as they went by knowing that anytime I wanted/needed to see her, she would be there. As to whatever real feelings there were, they were constructed with enough time, effort and money on my side... to me, it would just take a very special girl in future for me to want to do this again.

But next time I would be wiser.

I have nothing much more to say, but in the next post I would like to describe my day with her before she left. It is my story and it would be a great honor for me if you would be keen to read it when I put it up tomorrow.

colins
13-01-2009, 10:14 PM
hey colin. agree with you. TS should think for himself. anyway if we don't learn from setbacks, how are we gonna learn something by words or knowledge from another person? People come to this section for answers. The bros here give advice. The person follows suit. Another problem happened again. advice given again. Person follows suit. Its like finding answers to a problem but not knowing where the problem lies. If we don't know how the problem arises how are we able to fix it.
..........
Or i might just get lost in a dreamland. The main thing is if i don't experience it for myself. I would never know, never felt, never understand certain things.

Aye bro, I fully agree with you, people do learn from mistakes. Yes I might have also told you that one must understand oneself to be able to give advice, which is why I disappeared for a while some time ago picking myself up.

Learning pattern wise, on theory, mistakes are not the only thing people learn from. If so, there won't be school for education and mindset/attitudinal programmes to tune up on people's perspective in life to make them perform better. In this case, relationship problem involves the heart, learning involves the mind, without a clear mind, you will be driven by your heart. KC trap is trapping your heart, that means when you are KC-ed you follow your heart more. That is why when you apply your case for bro rorschach's issue, it make sense to see him go and re-live his memories. Thereabout, your idea is hopefully when he comes back, the pain of separation is tremendous enough to somehow make him switch mode back to reality.

But man, this will not happen. The very action of going there will ONLY proof one thing - he can't accept reality. So you ARE encouraging a person in dire straits to enter his dreams state all the way till his reality breaks down, NOT until his dreams breaks down. Fucking dangerous! You may think you can stay in dream state but he may not survive it! How to tell a drug addict to continue to smoke cannabis until some time when his mind give way then the doctor's news will somehow come and shatter his dream that cannabis is good for health??! That advice actually encourage him to take up the unlimited liabilities of a KC trap where you are supposed to be helping him out of it, right?

Since you are actually doing that (as in using more mistakes to hope to mend the heart) and you held your justification for that, there is only one conclusion. You see yourself in him and you used him to justify your decision to go up.

Remember when we first communicated, you said I am the only person in the forum who din stop you to go up and see. You said you want to cheong, see the city, shopping n touring, dun intend to stay with the girl 24/7...etc. I took everything at face value since you've already decided and got the tickets. But have you ever notice how worried I was? Why did I keep initiating conversation with you on msn? Dun you find it funny that I gave you my number and tell you if something happen, pls call me. I am not bigshot but I do have people there who can definitely bail you out if shit happens. When you came back what did I do? To what extend have I stake myself seeing you need help for KC?

When all 3 of us went thru your QQ conversation with your girl, we already pointed out the entire landscape for you. How every line from her worked on your heart and how you pulled back your breakup and in return crawled back to her. We can only do these for you, bro. No matter you are no.3 or no.4 BF to her, you will still want to be that no.1 BF, why? Now you want to go up again, although nobody understands why, we still try to tell you do not go. I personally explained to you the predicted situation now why can't you see it? If you need to make mistake why haven't you learn from the last trip? After your last trip, din we all tried our best to help you and bring help to you? DID IT WORK?? It sure fucking hell din. So what are we supposed to say now? Nice thing say liao, fuck also fucked liao, now you advising people to follow you? And you think it is THE RIGHT thing to do?

HOW MUCH mistakes do you or anybody needs, to learn from this lesson?

Think about it bro. This is the last time I am gonna say this to you.

colins
13-01-2009, 10:16 PM
So, how can these people know themselves if they can't even differentiate truth from lies?????
Fucking PATHETIC BUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

Calm down bro, we are here only to advise. There are times to fix problems, and there are times that we can only watch it happens.

Wooden_Handle
13-01-2009, 10:44 PM
Hi Bro DYBJ

Cool down...:)

They are times that people just dont understand or refuse to understand/accept the fact.

Later they will sure know the truth.

Fucking PATHETIC BUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

HCKing
13-01-2009, 11:49 PM
hey colin. agree with you. TS should think for himself. anyway if we don't learn from setbacks, how are we gonna learn something by words or knowledge from another person? People come to this section for answers. The bros here give advice. The person follows suit. Another problem happened again. advice given again. Person follows suit. Its like finding answers to a problem but not knowing where the problem lies. If we don't know how the problem arises how are we able to fix it. I rmb you telling me we need to fix ourselves 1st in order to fix our other problems. (is it? or i mistook you for someone else). Yes im heading to china to find her. I want to go through certain things to know certain things. I know some of you guys don't agree. But my resolve is i need to learn myself. hard way or easy way. May it i have lost some money, some time, gone through some sleepless shit just to see the truth. Or i might just get lost in a dreamland. The main thing is if i don't experience it for myself. I would never know, never felt, never understand certain things.

bro DIBJ, frm yr posting i think u belongs to the heart type of guy, meaning to say u tend to go by yr feelings than yr head on dealing with matters of the heart. but wat u posted here r just self justification of yr actions caused by yr heart, yr desire for the girl. in fact, contrary to yr learning frm the hard way theory, u actually bear much hope that things will turn out otherwise. which in another word, u r actually nt prepared to face the negative outcome, hoping that it will be a happy ending.

so i can say u r walking on dangerous ground, as u r nw being led totally by yr heart. it may take a long while or hard knock to wake up yr sense, and who knws if u r able to recover frm the blow. better dont play play.:D

DO_YOU_BJ
14-01-2009, 01:02 AM
Tks Bro Colins and Bro Wooden Handle..........

Well Colins, remember when we 1st met & I told you one thing........
That all these KC trap victims have one very similar thing in common?????????
That was even before we met Azzarro....remember????????
That they all had a problem differentiating white from black, truth from false....remember??????????????????????????
Proven with so many living examples.

See, all that we've helped...i dare and hopefully say...only 1 made it! For now that is! No offense to you...u know who u r!

Like what i dun understand is.....fucking know n see there's a hole there that's a bottomless pit...can clearly see it....normal folks will avoid it....yet these fuckers wanna try jump in to see how deep?????? SEOW BOH?

Yeah, you're rite...like my sifu always tell me....some can pity...some not worth the pity...yeah, i guess they DO BELONG to the latter!

pussyman72
14-01-2009, 01:31 AM
ah ya no need to said so many who lie who. who cheat who lar... same old story not tired ah....

go read this for pple who having a relationship with them. Be it viet, thai, PRC, cambodian, laos, indo.

All same it ur luck u heng u get a good one. u bo heng simi lj talk also useless... not everyone are the same so no point talking about what KC here KC there....

again i said it here" No Money No Honey. Got Money simi Honey u want also have" :rolleyes:

Read my post... in this thread...
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/matters-heart/109138-how-i-got-cheated-ktv-girl-part-2-a.html#post3377004

dont forget one thing starting a relationship in this area is never easy and it takes time n effort but not least $$$$. Do we have it??? if the answer is yes by all means since the person able to affort to bang wall with money if cannot then dont go bang wall. full stop....

Speaking from EXP.....this 2 weeks in JC i also hear n see how ger kc guys including my viet ger how she KC the man for $$$ man willing to give money when hear honey blah blah blah. i just listen n laugh... u think i get free fark also. also buy food to eat, buy phone card. blah blah blah.... That is the rule of the game if u wanna fark u better donate whichever way u still pay is not consider FF...

Happy gum wan can liao no need said who kc who.... man wants a Free Fark woman wants ur farking money full stop.... just remember that.. unless u catch a greenhorn chick then another diff story...

some woman give u free fark doesnt mean she dont want ur money. just that some woman just wants to enjoy sex n since she is comfortable with u. she do not mind having sex with the person. They also a human they too also wanna enjoy sex. Not every pay sex they enjoy... think again not just some guys get free fark sometime they are lonely n horny they also look for duck to fark them n pay the duck.

One thai ger who use to give me free fark bring me go eat n even pass me her newly hp used for few days that was being bought by the customer.... she do it infront of me telling me keep quiet while she con that guy a new hp... just saying some nice and horny words to him the guy ki siao n next day get her a brand new phone bcos of a good nice sex also.... so u said kc well i said yes n again i said no why cos the man using his dick head to think not his brain.....

pussyman72
14-01-2009, 01:54 AM
everyone can read from this forum and understand. Open ur eyes and ears n u see what is coming.... no need pple to advices.. there is nothing to advices about.

Remember use ur brain not ur dickhead n u will be fine. the rest is ur own decision to start or not to start.

If fall climb back up and move on. dont be a cry baby saying why she kc me why she lie... all the y y here later u also become YY.....

im in this cheonging for 15 yrs i see until sian. Who never get burn i chop my LJ. Is whether the burn is big or small only.....

Even i also sometime get burn lol but i still play along nothing wrong with it so long i happy gun wan who cares :)

Choke dee krup :cool:

HCKing
14-01-2009, 01:56 AM
Like what i dun understand is.....fucking know n see there's a hole there that's a bottomless pit...can clearly see it....normal folks will avoid it....yet these fuckers wanna try jump in to see how deep?????? SEOW BOH?


honestly speaking i dont think i dare to fly all the way there to find her even if i tio KC until very deep by one of them. u never knws the girl might be someone's wife or mistress over there and i dont think i am able to face such cruel reality.:(

i rather treasure the temp 'happy' moments together with her here, knowing that, in reality, wat's yrs is yrs. wat isnt yrs one day will leave automatically when the time arrives. no use building sand castle hoping that one day things will surely work out as per yr dream or alternate reality.

i used to exchange sms everyday with my regular tn girl. the day b4 she went back china, her last sms to me was ' 1st thing i will do after touch down is i will sms u. wait 4 my sms, qing ai de'. that was 1 year ago. until nw still no sms frm her.:confused:

so should i go there and look 4 her? to find out the truth? no. cos i believe wats nt mine will nt be mine. so i simply move on. sometimes, the girl may be here, but only her body is here, her heart may still remains in her land, maybe with another guy there. one can never knw easily.

pussyman72
14-01-2009, 01:59 AM
Yeah, you're rite...like my sifu always tell me....some can pity...some not worth the pity...yeah, i guess they DO BELONG to the latter!

ur sifu sifu remind me about a friend i use to know. always said he is the sifu of this person n that person :) dont know is it the same sifu i use to know :)

Anyway i dont think so... cos that friend who always he is the sifu teaching pple. in the end got burn big time......n went YY for awhile....

DO_YOU_BJ
14-01-2009, 02:58 AM
Anyway i dont think so... cos that friend who always he is the sifu teaching pple. in the end got burn big time......n went YY for awhile....

No bro, my sifu is a fortune teller

pussyman72
14-01-2009, 03:03 AM
No bro, my sifu is a fortune teller

hehehe i know i know just trying to get the sifu out. Wanna see he post here bo :D he seldom post but i know he been reading this forum. :D

colins
14-01-2009, 04:32 AM
Well Colins, remember when we 1st met & I told you one thing........
That all these KC trap victims have one very similar thing in common?????????
That was even before we met Azzarro....remember????????
That they all had a problem differentiating white from black, truth from false....remember??????????????????????????
Proven with so many living examples.


Yeah, it is always linked to the threshold of pain. Reality is suffering, escape to dream state to get comfort. We have seen many, yet the only difference is at which point of time did the escape started and what had caused it. The rest is same story different characters.

Money3
14-01-2009, 05:58 AM
Bro Rorschach, sounds like you are now still very deep. In fact it seems that at the moment, without her, you have nothing. While we can talk till cow come home abt your decision to see her again or not, I believe you will. The point is, what do you want to do with this relationship of yours. Make your decision soon and make one that suits you.

In reality, when relationships get its start in the nightscene, you gotta ask yourself what are the chances of finding love. Compare yourself before and after this relationship, what is YOUR chances of surviving this? Contrary to what DO I BJ said, there are some of us who may not survive, we cannot assume that this won't kill us. Kill doesn't mean ending the physical life, it can also mean this person stops living from then on, becos he lost all hopes and confidence in himself. And this is possible in your case becos your own future can change becos of this relationship. It may not be scary now, but if you ever consider the butterfly effect it has on your life 10-20 yrs down the road, you may not be able to accept its impact on you.


Comparatively, given the earlier thoughts, it is much harder to look for a woman who sticks with you even while you are poor. That is a woman with love as priority. Think about it, can she be the one? Do you trust her to be the one? Yes or no, do you even need to prove that she can be one?

I know you are very deeply in love now, and as a result, also deeply in conflicts with yourself. The distance between your Mind and Heart gives you lots of stress. But I hope you give it a thought for a while. Then come back and post your perspective. ;)



well said bro colins.... though the only view I differ is that I think the TS thinks he is in love but IMHO I guessed it is just an escapism on his part since he lost big in the market under the present financial crisis.

TS, one of the reason u lost big in the market is I assumed u dont cut loss when your stocks are downtrending... clingling on to it hoping for a better tomorrow.... thinking to yourself, no worries... market will recover....DJ will rebound etc...and so when u lost it all... you find KTVs a better place to lose more money cos at least u can enjoy it there....and that is where u try to escape but focusing on this gal... trying to make a conquest, an Impression.... etc... until u got hooked... tinker and everything...

So just like your shares investment.... u ended up clinging... not knowing why u clinging...

May I suggest u cut your losses now!

Financial losses can be recovered but failed relationship may end up a broken man...

Haizz... funny... many samsters still fall into the KC trap... saying theirs is different.... confirmed different....and despite so many seasoned seniors advicing them.... etc colins, DYBJ, slider72... all thread starters still seems unable to get into their heads...

So I guessed I will not advise too.... no point.... cos no one can help if one chose not receptive to help himself....

Two different worlds.... two different lifestyles... two different perspectives...

PRCs may believe in love but need they travel all the way to a strange country to find love??? Even then, they are aware that they cannot survive to live on love alone....

To marry someone thinking that she loves u is bad enough....

To have that person leaving u in times of hardship or sickness is the worse Titanic feeling one can possibly have.

Make a CNY 2009 resolution TS.....

Cut your losses before it snowball......

:cool:

zhaonan
14-01-2009, 07:18 AM
I m struggling to wake up so many friend fr kc dream.

DO_I_BJ
14-01-2009, 10:12 AM
So, how can these people know themselves if they can't even differentiate truth from lies?????
Fucking PATHETIC BUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

wow. now you are playing God telling who's pathetic and who's not? Doesn't meant people go through certain things gives you the right to call who is fuckin pathetic and who's not? U are fucking pathetic too my friend.

slider_72
14-01-2009, 10:17 AM
Headaches can be cured by paracetamol, ponstan, mefenemic acid, morphine, cannabis... etc.

Sorry, a bit off topic. Ponstan and Mefenamic acid are the same thing. Ponstan is the generic name for Mefenamic acid manufactured by Pfitzer. It is a non-steriod pain killer normally prescribed to relieve the symptoms of menstral cramps, or for migraine headaches (although Carefin would probably be better).

Also, I am doubtful if anyone would want to prescribe morphine or cannabis to treat a headache.

DO_I_BJ
14-01-2009, 10:28 AM
Sorry, a bit off topic. Ponstan and Mefenamic acid are the same thing. Ponstan is the generic name for Mefenamic acid manufactured by Pfitzer. It is a non-steriod pain killer normally prescribed to relieve the symptoms of menstral cramps, or for migraine headaches (although Carefin would probably be better).

Also, I am doubtful if anyone would want to prescribe morphine or cannabis to treat a headache.

my bad. its just a metaphor to bring a pt. :D

morphine is addictive but cannabis is actually very useful in curing alot of disability-related or muscle spasm disease. Cannabis is actually legal for medicinal purpose in the states.

pewpew
14-01-2009, 11:10 AM
Yeah, it is always linked to the threshold of pain. Reality is suffering, escape to dream state to get comfort. We have seen many, yet the only difference is at which point of time did the escape started and what had caused it. The rest is same story different characters.

Sometime, people are not there for the sake of LOVE, they are there for the sake of having someone whom occassionally cares abt and having a companion.

We, as friends can only either push our bros into hell pit or pull them up to heaven. We might have tried our ways but remember, we are not god, but even when failed, treat it as doing a good deed.:cool:

colins
14-01-2009, 12:06 PM
Sometime, people are not there for the sake of LOVE, they are there for the sake of having someone whom occassionally cares abt and having a companion.


You know something, I actually stared at this sentence for a long while and it make sense. How can someone who has no long term plans for the future, have any long term plans for his relationship? Love in this case can easily get confused with companionship, as in the short term get-backs for a relationship IS companionship. So while you look for love, without a clear view of what you want in your future, all you can see is the yearn for someone you like, to be there by your side. Well at least for a while.

Thanks

cablesnwires
14-01-2009, 12:25 PM
Allow me to say a few words.

I am now in China, and I admit I flew here for 2 purposes. One is to work, and the other to look for my WL and get that GFE feeling.

Yes, I crave for that GFE feeling, a feeling which defies all logics and reasons. But do you know that besides that, my big head has been telling me that it is really not possible at all while I am here? And in actual fact, the nearer you are with her, the clearer your mind is? The long distance between us has actually clout my thinking and reasoning.

In fact I am battling with myself, and the brain is winning. It is not about getting ROI now, and slider_72 said it correctly, it doesn't matter whether she loves me or loves my money anymore. I am here, and I intend to have a good time with her. People are selfish, so am I.

Well, will this be the last time to see her? I dunno, will I be KC-ed by her? I dunno too. But what I do know is if there is an opportunity for me to go see her again, why not? I want to have a good time, and that's all. I make it a point that she will be compensated, and it will be above market rate.

Before I get rebutted, I am confident to say that I will get this out of this. Emotionally strained, but perhaps it will make me even stronger in future.

Back to this thread, I do hope our bro TS comes and finish his story, for the way he wrote, he wrote it with all his feelings. Let's not get personal with each other, shall we? After all, this is a forum. Peace all brothers, and Chinese New Year is coming.

P/S: It is not the MILF by the way... ;)

slider_72
14-01-2009, 12:27 PM
....Well at least for a while.

Ahhhh..... this is the nub of the issue. All of us who are involved with these WLs must accept the fact that the relationship is merely temporary, whether they are singers, hookers, KTV girls or TN girls.

They all need to go back once their visa expires. Once a person accepts the impermanence of the relationship, it is easier to let go when the time comes. If from day one the bro hammers into his head that there is an expiry date, he will see that clinging onto the relationship is but an exercise in futility.

Once the girl leaves our sunny shores, it should be game over and on to the next better player. No attachment. 人走茶凉。

slider_72
14-01-2009, 12:30 PM
P/S: It is not the MILF by the way... ;)

Hahaha. First the MILF, then her niece, so which other member of the family are you bonking now bro? :D

warbird
14-01-2009, 01:52 PM
...All of us who are involved with these WLs must accept the fact that the relationship is merely temporary, whether they are singers, hookers, KTV girls or TN girls.

They all need to go back once their visa expires. Once a person accepts the impermanence of the relationship, it is easier to let go when the time comes... he will see that clinging onto the relationship is but an exercise in futility.

Once the girl leaves our sunny shores, it should be game over and on to the next better player. No attachment. 人走茶凉。

Hi bro,

You hv the right attitude towards these WLs...

But I like to RTF becos I often enjoy more due to higher n higher level of GFE.

Once they leave SGP, I can still continue the rs w/ some of them by flying over n hv them be my companion for days or even weeks.

I hv very little KC for any of them as it's strictly a business transaction. I may reward them w/ a bonus if they treat me exceptionally well. They know that I know there r too many SYTs in China. Some KTVs hv 500 to over 1,000 MMs!!:eek:

Cheers!

DO_YOU_BJ
14-01-2009, 01:59 PM
wow. now you are playing God telling who's pathetic and who's not?
Dun have to play GOD to call someone everyone can see is pathetic. This is called NOT BLIND unlike u and got nottin to do wif almighty!!!!!!!!!!

Doesn't meant people go through certain things gives you the right to call who is fuckin pathetic and who's not?
Yes i admit i'm pathetic but we're at different poles of this equation.....this to assist you in understanding the term PATHETIC a little better........cheapo!
Sorry, me got no PATHETIC friends like you

DO_YOU_BJ
14-01-2009, 02:18 PM
Bro Cables&Wires & Bro WarBird, for one to extend his FUCKS to PRC, what's the basis for this? $$$$$$$$$$
Why i call these people pathetic?
Not because i wanna pick a fight wif them......

Allow me to clarify as what is gonna be said has been posted before and some have not been said so let it be written, so let it be done

One has lost his love for 2yrs already...living constantly in the past and cant move on...the path he took is towards self implosion.......lots of depressing nites and no this was posted not too long ago with an ending of letting the past go and have a new start to a new year.
Well, after quoting Buddha...think we know better liao.
This, even bro Lancer76 has commented before!http://www.sammyboyforum.com/matters-heart/106673-things-theyre-capable-prcs-5.html#post3341139

Next, this character, low income earner, go cheong wif us....says wanna buy a bottle for the guys cos HE NEVER FOOTS THE BILL!!!!!!!!! Can even ask me if he can go finish my balance bottle????? Not once but many timesssss Then when time to buy, he disappears...ok fine...Y???? Cos we know the reason for his disappearance.......then he re-appears after a while of absence and then says he will buy a bottle again.......then time to open again....he disappears.........why?????????

1) All money spent on fucking FLs
2) Prolly saving to go up to PRC for a fuck trip wif a gal that already chop him the last time he went up
3) Goin to other KTV's except where we go to cgeong

Now, for the above, Pathetic isnt the only prob...it's also coupled wif no character! I am not upset over this bottle thingy...its a matter of integrity which this case clearly shows that this looser aint got any!

warbird
14-01-2009, 03:10 PM
Bro Cables&Wires & Bro WarBird, for one to extend his FUCKS to PRC, what's the basis for this? $$$$$$$$$$
Why i call these people pathetic?
Not because i wanna pick a fight wif them......

One has lost his love for 2yrs already...living constantly in the past and cant move on...the path he took is towards self implosion.......lots of depressing nites and no this was posted not too long ago with an ending of letting the past go and have a new start to a new year.
Well, after quoting Buddha...think we know better liao.
This, even bro Lancer76 has commented before...

Next, this character, low income earner, go cheong wif us....says wanna buy a bottle for the guys cos HE NEVER FOOTS THE BILL!!!!!!!!! Can even ask me if he can go finish my balance bottle????? Not once but many timesssss Then when time to buy, he disappears...ok fine...Y???? Cos we know the reason for his disappearance.......then he re-appears after a while of absence and then says he will buy a bottle again.......then time to open again....he disappears.........why????????

Now, for the above, Pathetic isnt the only prob...it's also coupled wif no character! I am not upset over this bottle thingy...its a matter of integrity which this case clearly shows that this looser aint got any!

Hi bro DO_YOU_BJ,

I feel sorry for the 2 bros u mentioned...yes, pathetic.

The first bro still can't forget his "love" after 2 yrs!! You hv done ur best, bro.

As for the 2nd bro, I hv met quite a few men like that. He is a scrounger, not a fren. Just avoid him.

Good day!

DO_I_BJ
14-01-2009, 03:28 PM
Dun have to play GOD to call someone everyone can see is pathetic. This is called NOT BLIND unlike u and got nottin to do wif almighty!!!!!!!!!!

Doesn't meant people go through certain things gives you the right to call who is fuckin pathetic and who's not?
Yes i admit i'm pathetic but we're at different poles of this equation.....this to assist you in understanding the term PATHETIC a little better........cheapo!
Sorry, me got no PATHETIC friends like you

Even if people can see who is pathetic or not. Its their own individual ideas to towards others. They don't go around calling pple pathetic or not. I'm not asking you to pamper problematic bros with nice and lovey dovey answers but no need to go ard calling people pathetic which totally unnecessary and uncalled for. Its not even constructive.

cheapo or pathetic whatever . At ur age u are still calling pple by this type of names sometimes makes me think how much your maturity stands. It doesn't sound nice if i go calling you a FATTY right? ;)

as for the 2nd bro. its me.. i will buy a bottle put ur name .. leave it in armani . I don't intend to explain myself although i got nothing to hide. Ya i scrooge or whatever. Its your part of the story and its always right. no pt. U are the king in KTV circle... KC king.. everything so expert. good for you. Have a good life. good bye.

ilovelife.now
14-01-2009, 03:38 PM
What bro,

1) Your brain is NOT winning.. your didi is. for heaven's sake, get the hell out of PRC and come back here.

2) You want peace but after she is through you will be in pieces

3) Are you KC-ed? <textarea name="message" id="vB_Editor_QE_1_textarea" rows="10" cols="60" style="width:500px; height:200px" tabindex="1" dir="ltr">What bro,

1) Your brain is NOT winning.. your didi is. for heaven's sake, get the hell out of PRC and come back here.

2) You want peace but after she is through you will be in pieces

3) Are you KC-ed? No, but you are right on your way bro..

4) No - I am not getting personal bro - venting the anguish other bros are going through which i had - in the past. I am married, wife not here la - but I am the f*ck them, f*rget them person.. I did stupidly get email from a thai FL and am regularly in touch.. and when my wife comes back here will be difficult.

Bottom line - no, no, no - don't ever follow the WL/ FL unless you are ready to get your heart broken into a thousand pieces.. much better is the death by thousand cuts in ancient china :(

DO_YOU_BJ
14-01-2009, 04:04 PM
Even if people can see who is pathetic or not. Its their own individual ideas to towards others. They don't go around calling pple pathetic or not. I'm not asking you to pamper problematic bros with nice and lovey dovey answers but no need to go ard calling people pathetic which totally unnecessary and uncalled for. Its not even constructive.
What's there constructive to say to someone who has destructive tots planned for himself...worst, making people follow his footsteps towards doom! Wat a honorable, respectable and helpful Samster! I'm so filled wif shock and awwwwweeeeeeeeeeee

cheapo or pathetic whatever.
Notice this is the only thing you didn't debate....obvious rite...hahahaha

At ur age u are still calling pple by this type of names sometimes makes me think how much your maturity stands.
It's got nottin to do wif maturity..........its just a gentle reminder to everyone who's alive, that we all belong to a camp...at least you now know FOR SURE which camp you belong to for from your statement, you forgot!!!!!

It doesn't sound nice if i go calling you a FATTY right? ;)
I am what i am.....i can afford to be fat, slim watever, but i can never afford to RUIN my reputation......can you????? But what can u ruin if u ain't got CRAP???????

as for the 2nd bro. its me.. i will buy a bottle put ur name .. leave it in armani.
Errrrr....FYI i stop goin there liao but u can still do that, cos i'll ask the bosses there to frame it for it's gonna be the most priceless bottle i've ever owned!!!!!!! Do remember to ask your friend to share wif you hor....else you will have to go visit the public toilet lesser twice in that month bwahahahahaha....i wouldn't want to you to release lesser on my account

I don't intend to explain myself although i got nothing to hide. Ya i scrooge or whatever. Its your part of the story and its always right. no pt.
Do not try to make a grand escape cos i wont let ya. You can always ask bro Colins or Slider to vouch for wat you just said........they being impartial people will not take a side........nottin to hide??????? didnt scrooge???????? Ya, you ready for the truth???????? You'll loose so much face your drinking kaki's will laugh at you.........

U are the king in KTV circle... KC king.. everything so expert. good for you.
Since I reminded you which camp you belong to, thanks for reminding me which camp I'm from. But hor, all these I already know years n years ago....Like i said, something, no need to say....like what you just proclaimed....even blind man can SEE IT!!!!!!!

Have a good life. good bye.
Even if i was penniless........i will always have a better life than you....why??? Cos i have mental wealth, spiritual wealth, physical(HEALTH) wealth and most importantly, INTEGRITY!!!!!! Something that you don't have and will never understand what it truly means other than getting the meaning from the dictionary!

Last but not least: One quote buddha the other quote the bible "The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want" (Psalm 23:1)
Damn, even purgatory will not want you!

DO_YOU_BJ
14-01-2009, 04:11 PM
Hi bro DO_YOU_BJ,

I feel sorry for the 2 bros u mentioned...yes, pathetic.

The first bro still can't forget his "love" after 2 yrs!! You hv done ur best, bro.

As for the 2nd bro, I hv met quite a few men like that. He is a scrounger, not a fren. Just avoid him.

Good day!

Bro WarBird, thanks for your supporting words....
Nope, i dun need to avoid him, cos he'll avoid me and actually, has been doin that after we 1st met hahahaha

pussyman72
14-01-2009, 04:14 PM
guys

look it this way. We keep saying about guys getting KC by WL/FL what about Decent does it mean they dont. At least not very risky then those working in this line but again some may...

Also we said working gers cheat guys money n heart. how about the guys? Guys are very selfish person. they only think about their LJ song and play the ger heart, cheat their feeling.... get them preg and ask them go fark spider....

i seem it myself and im one of the ccb... there are gers in this trade that actually serious about the relationship but im sorry i had to said 90% of the gers are not so ez to go into the relationship... they are very focus they want money...

Lets talk about those gers that are serious, guys love to play new after farking till sian want new n move on or when the ger is with them already n ger got preg.... the guys will ask them is it ours, u very sure is mine or just leave them when they hear preg...

some even worst love to fark ard with cb n marry the ger get her preg n then ask her go fark off. even the kid also dont want to take care after deliver.... so what kind of guys are we....

well we can always said how sure is the baby is ours then is up to u to decide whether is ur ger is really true to u. u know it urself nobody here can tell u that ur ger preg may not be urs....

So u see we always said we get KC traps... dont forget is money, time n effort we lost.... The gers lost even more if they really fall in love they get fark for free nvm bcos they love the man but if not lucky they got preg n man run away. in the end who suffer. is they who suffer and worst the KID suffer too bcos of our chao LJ wanna song....

I been there n done that so i know how it feel being an asshole farking n get ger preg n run away...... We dont feel the effect when we young but when we get old we feel it what we done... unless we are not human then i nothing to said....

Alot of pple said just fark care them if the preg or blah blah blah. dont said too soon... when it hits u then u know how it feel but as i said unless u are not a human then nothing to said more....

My advice to pple is. Wanna play, play within means. dont wanna get involve in relationship with this gers then Fark n fark off. If enjoy her alot come n find her again full stop... but many of us cant so when we play we must know up till what lvl. wanna go raw then u better make sure u know when to shoot in or use a cap. dont just depend the ger take pills cos even take pill doesnt mean she wont get preg...

this what happen to my 2nd thai gf even take pill also got preg by her malaysian bf after i left her... now where is the bf or husband... no where to be found n she had to suffer taking care of the kid all by herself n the kid got no father....

so think b4 u do. cannot affort to play then dont play love love in this trade. u get burn very ez n remember this not guys get burn even the gers get burn.... so it a 2 way traffic from the way i see this...

chokdee krup

DO_YOU_BJ
14-01-2009, 04:24 PM
cannot affort to play then dont play love love in this trade.

Bro Pussyman, 1stly i dun know thai or is it viet that you type...hahaha but what you said i totally agree!
WANNA PLAY BETTER CAN PAY
CANNOT PAY, DUN PLAY

KNN, some people wif the kind of income they're earning, at that age still wanna go kio guay, cheong KTV, fly go PRC find lover...nabei...his salary is not even enuff to pump petrol for my car the whole month....now maybe can lah since the price lower liao........dun say PRC city gal...go get one from farm also will ask him go fark spider!

DO_I_BJ
14-01-2009, 04:59 PM
What's there constructive to say to someone who has destructive tots planned for himself...worst, making people follow his footsteps towards doom!

I gave him 2 choices either go or forget it. SO you giving unconstructive comments like PATHETIC not destructive?

cheapo or pathetic whatever.
Notice this is the only thing you didn't debate....obvious rite...hahahaha
yea you are always right. *kowtow

It's got nottin to do wif maturity..........its just a gentle reminder to everyone who's alive, that we all belong to a camp...at least you now know FOR SURE which camp you belong to for from your statement, you forgot!!!!!

you call people pathetic and loser a GENTLE REMINDER??! wow.

I am what i am.....i can afford to be fat, slim watever, but i can never afford to RUIN my reputation......can you????? But what can u ruin if u ain't got CRAP??????? Wow so calling people names doesn't ruin one's reputation? One's reputation is known differently by different people. What you think of one person doesn't mean its the same for others. U calling pple name in a public forum is already ruining your own reputation.

Errrrr....FYI i stop goin there liao but u can still do that, cos i'll ask the bosses there to frame it for it's gonna be the most priceless bottle i've ever owned!!!!!!! Do remember to ask your friend to share wif you hor....else you will have to go visit the public toilet lesser twice in that month bwahahahahaha....i wouldn't want to you to release lesser on my account

i didn't say when. HAHAHAHAHA :D

Do not try to make a grand escape cos i wont let ya. You can always ask bro Colins or Slider to vouch for wat you just said........they being impartial people will not take a side........nottin to hide??????? didnt scrooge???????? Ya, you ready for the truth???????? You'll loose so much face your drinking kaki's will laugh at you.........


ask lo. Like you said im an escapist ma. I'm good at that. Grand escape tells everyone of ur impending escape. I don't. i do it subtlely. Thats a david blaine for you.

Since I reminded you which camp you belong to, thanks for reminding me which camp I'm from. But hor, all these I already know years n years ago....Like i said, something, no need to say....like what you just proclaimed....even blind man can SEE IT!!!!!!!

sorry blind man cannot see. teach me how they can see. you would gladly help the blinded everywhere.

Even if i was penniless........i will always have a better life than you....why??? Cos i have mental wealth, spiritual wealth, physical(HEALTH) wealth and most importantly, INTEGRITY!!!!!! Something that you don't have and will never understand what it truly means other than getting the meaning from the dictionary!

i say good for you. You have a better life.

Last but not least: One quote buddha the other quote the bible "The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want" (Psalm 23:1)
Damn, even purgatory will not want you!

You see. you not acting like God now? How ironical.

DO_YOU_BJ
14-01-2009, 05:23 PM
I gave him 2 choices either go or forget it. SO you giving unconstructive comments like PATHETIC not destructive?
You didnt really give him any advise...you just used him to justify your actions......meaning, you were making use of him for your own glory! I wasnt trying to comment...i was merely TELLING YOU!

yea you are always right. *kowtow
I know thanks, what's new

you call people pathetic and loser a GENTLE REMINDER??! wow.
Yup, just because you cant accept that you're like wat you are, doesnt make it non gentle!!!
Even bro WARBIRD called you pathetic liao...so, either i'm blind or you're blind! Wat say u?????

Wow so calling people names doesn't ruin one's reputation? One's reputation is known differently by different people. What you think of one person doesn't mean its the same for others. U calling pple name in a public forum is already ruining your own reputation.
Really ah??? So wat reputation of yours did i ruin and wat reputation of mine did i? I let you jump how high you still cant reach my lumpah you looser

i didn't say when. HAHAHAHAHA :D
That's y i say it'll be the most priceless bottle i will ever get.....you were too dumb to understand that statement...its ok..i dun expect lowly educated, low income, under achievers like you to be able to do that in the 1st place!!!!

ask lo. Like you said im an escapist ma. I'm good at that. Grand escape tells everyone of ur impending escape. I don't. i do it subtlely. Thats a david blaine for you.
Na, he got more class than you...u aint got shit dude

sorry blind man cannot see. teach me how they can see. you would gladly help the blinded everywhere.
You can walk straight rite.....but you're blind wat....wat else you want me to say?????

i say good for you. You have a better life.
I already said thanks...i know so does everyone who knows the 2 of us

You see. you not acting like God now? How ironical.
You christian no?????? U got purgatory meh????? Now u crossing into Roman Catholic territory liao!!!!!


cheapo or pathetic whatever.
Notice this is the only thing you didn't debate....obvious rite...hahahaha
yea you are always right. *kowtow
I dun understand, you already admit, so what you KPKB about?????
Thanks for all your replies.....i am sure all who read would have understand the whole pic very well by now...kumxia kumxia

HCKing
14-01-2009, 06:00 PM
Hi bro,

You hv the right attitude towards these WLs...

But I like to RTF becos I often enjoy more due to higher n higher level of GFE.

Once they leave SGP, I can still continue the rs w/ some of them by flying over n hv them be my companion for days or even weeks.

I hv very little KC for any of them as it's strictly a business transaction. I may reward them w/ a bonus if they treat me exceptionally well. They know that I know there r too many SYTs in China. Some KTVs hv 500 to over 1,000 MMs!!:eek:

Cheers!

ya lor so many SYT want to fall into KC with only one also hard.

which is y i never always look 4 the same girl only. sometimes look 4 SYT, sometimes MILF, sometimes others, like that nt only gives u more variety of thrill it also helps to prevent falling into KC trap with one of them.

DO_I_BJ
14-01-2009, 06:22 PM
You didnt really give him any advise...you just used him to justify your actions......meaning, you were making use of him for your own glory! I wasnt trying to comment...i was merely TELLING YOU!

Since when did i used him to justify my action? Did i go around telling people that ME going to China to find gal is the right thing to do? From my POV i think i gave him two option if you didnt think that way its you. not me. And how did i glorify myself? tell me. The only glorification is coming out from your mouth about how good u and ur life and ur camp is.

Yup, just because you cant accept that you're like wat you are, doesnt make it non gentle!!!
Even bro WARBIRD called you pathetic liao...so, either i'm blind or you're blind! Wat say u?????

The main point is not whether i accept im loser or pathetic. The main point is you going around calling pple names like buying fish like that. Freedom of speech i supposed. Like that if i can find another person to say u are also pathetic. U also must be pathetic. No pt bringing others into this argument.

Really ah??? So wat reputation of yours did i ruin and wat reputation of mine did i? I let you jump how high you still cant reach my lumpah you looser
Wow great argument involving ur lumpah and looser. Now whose the loser. HWHAHAHAHA. As expected of the great KC king.


That's y i say it'll be the most priceless bottle i will ever get.....you were too dumb to understand that statement...its ok..i dun expect lowly educated, low income, under achievers like you to be able to do that in the 1st place!!!!


wow more great name calling. kudos.


Na, he got more class than you...u aint got shit dude

definitely he got class. At least classy people don't go around calling pple losers and pathetic


You can walk straight rite.....but you're blind wat....wat else you want me to say?????

Ya lo. blind enough to see your namecalling.


You see. you not acting like God now? How ironical.
You christian no?????? U got purgatory meh????? Now u crossing into Roman Catholic territory liao!!!!!

the main point is ur acting like God. Not about crossing what line.


I dun understand, you already admit, so what you KPKB about?????

You also KPKB back ma. An answer require a response. I basically do what normal human would do.

colins
14-01-2009, 06:24 PM
Ok guys, realised I got to say something by now.

I guess at some point of time, we mixed our own emotions to the thread. If you apply 认事不认人 the issue was (is) on bro rorschach. Somebody suggested he should go up China, the other said he shouldn't, then we got down to compare reasons. Personally, whether he goes up or not is not even in his considerations if you read his recent post. So how we came to this argument, dun make sense. We are not arguing with knowledge lo, we were arguing with ignorance and damn that always end up with people catapulting shit all over the place.

DIBJ said mistakes must be made for lesson learnt, later we established benefit of doubt shouldn't be given cos his case was very weak. DTCEPL came in halfway, unfortunately from nowhere came out with some religious teachings and I think his case is even worse. Personally, both mixed their own emotions liao. While we are all allowed to speak with emotions per se, if we recognised that our views were skewed, ethically speaking, should come out and stand corrected.

So I guess that wasn't done. So bro DYBJ wrote directly to the heart of the matter plus reciprocated with his own emotion. More emotions were poured in, from then onwards, became very personal liao. Obviously I have no intention to join in the foray but just hope everybody can go back right before where it frayed.

Before I sound too much like a garment servant, bro rorschach pls post up your next instalment.

DO_YOU_BJ
14-01-2009, 06:33 PM
DIBJ said mistakes must be made for lesson learnt, later we established benefit of doubt shouldn't be given cos his case was very weak. DTCEPL came in halfway, unfortunately from nowhere came out with some religious teachings and I think his case is even worse. Personally, both mixed their own emotions liao. While we are all allowed to speak with emotions per se, if we recognised that our views were skewed, ethically speaking, should come out and stand corrected.

So I guess that wasn't done. So bro DYBJ wrote directly to the heart of the matter plus reciprocated with his own emotion. More emotions were poured in, from then onwards, became very personal liao.

Well said...i rest my case.....
Lastly...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I wud just luv to see how someone wud reply to your post.........posting to people like this, really makes me even more disgusted at such low lives who doesnt even use their brains when they type!!!!!!!
It all boils down to choice. They who stand in water say they stand on land. They who stand on land will & can only laugh at them.
We choose to be what we are.......AMEN!

slider_72
14-01-2009, 06:50 PM
Wah kaoz... I go steal eat one afternoon only come back see so many posts here. Although knees still a bit wobbly at the moment, but I think I better contribute my 2 cents worth.

Like bro Colin, I do not wish to enter into the fray. Better to make peace gentlemen. 和气生财。

We all have different ways of looking at things and different reaction to different situations. Although Bro DIBJ is not wrong in saying that he presented two options to TS, the option of going up to China to visit the girl is not a real option at all. 生路是路,死路也是路。

Seems rather innocuous, but if one knows Bro DIBJ's story, it would appear as though he is trying to justify his own actions. By doing so, he was indirectly inviting TS to go bungee jumping together minus the rope. This was what ticked Bro DYBJ off and got him started.

And Bro DYBJ, words like losers and pathetic are simply not politically correct these days. No one should be called a loser, he simply has a misaligned fortune. Also, no one should be described as pathetic, he is known as a sympathy magnet.

So gentlemen, don't argue already ok? :cool:

colins
14-01-2009, 07:05 PM
...
Like bro Colin, I do not wish to enter into the fray. Better to make peace gentlemen. 和气生财。

We all have different ways of looking at things and different reaction to different situations. Although Bro DIBJ is not wrong in saying that he presented two options to TS, the option of going up to China to visit the girl is not a real option at all. 生路是路,死路也是路。

.....

And Bro DYBJ, words like losers and pathetic are simply not politically correct these days. No one should be called a loser, he simply has a misaligned fortune. Also, no one should be described as pathetic, he is known as a sympathy magnet.

So gentlemen, don't argue already ok? :cool:

Damn, bro you getting really chinese literate nowadays. No 错别字 and use them for summary some more. The ROI is really happening more ways than one! ;)

But then uh, the more you make it sound nice, the more it makes people think they fall into that category. Like I definitely got this misalignment in fortune a while back. hahaha

DO_YOU_BJ
14-01-2009, 07:06 PM
And Bro DYBJ, words like losers and pathetic are simply not politically correct these days. No one should be called a loser, he simply has a misaligned fortune. Also, no one should be described as pathetic, he is known as a sympathy magnet.

The lawyer has spoken.
I apologise for calling this character a looser and them being pathetic.
But sympathy magnet...well...that...like Sifu said:
有些人值得同情
有些人肯本不值得同情
癞蛤蟆想吃天鹅肉
看咯!
慢慢等吧!
I just cannot accept people to do such negative acts to those in distress and just standby doin nottin.
This section is to help, not to lend a stone to accelerate anothers downfall!

slider_72
14-01-2009, 07:19 PM
Damn, bro you getting really chinese literate nowadays. No 错别字 and use them for summary some more. The ROI is really happening more ways than one! ;)

But then uh, the more you make it sound nice, the more it makes people think they fall into that category. Like I definitely got this misalignment in fortune a while back. hahaha

Hahaha. Nowadays everyday got Chinese tuition class. Trying hard to improve my Mandarin. :D

A wise man once told me this : 想学好,先和老师搞.想学会,先和老师睡.

colins
14-01-2009, 07:32 PM
Hahaha. Nowadays everyday got Chinese tuition class. Trying hard to improve my Mandarin. :D

A wise man once told me this : 想学好,先和老师搞.想学会,先和老师睡.

Hahahaha...he just full of famous quote craps. Leaps and bounds, maybe we should have do dongbei, szechuan cuisine more often too. ;)

DO_YOU_BJ
14-01-2009, 07:35 PM
Hahahaha...he just full of famous quote craps. Leaps and bounds, maybe we should have do dongbei, szechuan cuisine more often too. ;)

That public class dude....
Now he has private tuition somemore!!!!!
So envious of him....hehehehehehe

pewpew
14-01-2009, 07:35 PM
有些人值得同情,而有些人肯本不值得同情
看咯!

Lol, i have said these word to 1 of my bro previously because even after much conversation and trying to prove him wrong, i tio F in return... But in the end, he lost his family, his work and his friend coz of KC...

Anyway, we are here to give our own opinion to bros who have suffered or are still suffering from misery (MATTER OF THE HEARTS), be it accept or decline, we have tried, quoting a saying from Buddha " Doing a good deed" by helping, no matter the result is good or bad, you accept or not, at least we have tried.

DO_YOU_BJ
14-01-2009, 07:59 PM
Lol, i have said these word to 1 of my bro previously because even after much conversation and trying to prove him wrong, i tio F in return... But in the end, he lost his family, his work and his friend coz of KC...

Anyway, we are here to give our own opinion to bros who have suffered or are still suffering from misery (MATTER OF THE HEARTS), be it accept or decline, we have tried, quoting a saying from Buddha " Doing a good deed" by helping, no matter the result is good or bad, you accept or not, at least we have tried.

You are absolutely rite my friend.
What's most important that through your good heart, you've scored merit up there.
As for the ONE who made the choice, only he will reap rewards or suffer from his choice.

I've helped quite a number of bros here, several made it, several failed BIGTIME

Tell u a story.
This happened on XMAS nite just a few weeks ago.
Know this singer.
Always wearing a ring on her marriage finger.
Sometimes i see her crying, sometime she'll call me and also cry....
Reason??? She misses her ex
A married man in china and she was wif him for 7yrs
She still calls him to tell him how much she loves him blah blah or just to hear his voice
She has tried suicide twice but didnt make it.
I felt sad for her...reason again, 1stly, she aint using this as a KC trick, second, this woman is damn pure hearted, no evil......no KC traps to anyone....so she totally isnt suitable to work in the nightscene.
I counseled her for a while and told her the chains of the past are on her by her own doing, that guy got family, have moved on but you're stuck in time blah blah
Now you torment yourself everyday...at who's expense are you doin this at, he is happily wif his family, maybe even a new lover but look at you........

Finally on XMAS morning at 4am, she sms me to meet her cos she got XMAS gift for me...........
Brought her to the park by my place and there she told me....
Wat you said to me really woke me up.........there, she removed the ring...but then grabbed it hard wif her palm and cried......
Asked her wat she was doin....she said the XMAS gift is to throw this ring into the sea......then started to REALLY CRY!!!!!!!!
Told her, throw this into the sea for yourself...to prove something to yourself and to no one else....even me....... that wud be the best XMAS gift for me........cry girl, cry your lungs out...let this be the last tear you shed for him..........this went on for a good 10mins........then...she threw it into the sea...the little splash.......hugged me tight & said.......哥哥,谢谢你,真想不到你这个魔鬼也有心的, 也想不到会在新加坡遇到让我清醒的人。
After that, we went for supper and sent her back.
We've not been in ctc since but when i do happen to go to their KTV, she'll sure come over to say hi & FYI, me no hang flowers to her. Now this, is something i'm proud of............
Everyone suffers...but the question one needs to ask oneself is, at what price does one want to pay for this suffering????
Like your friend, he paid the ultimate price and is now never the same friend you once knew......well, his choice and you too did your best.
Good on ya mate;)

pewpew
14-01-2009, 08:30 PM
Hehe thanks for agreeing with a noob like me and many thanks for sharing the story of yours to all bros out there.

To any bros out there whoever have any problems, its YOUR choice to post here and share with us and we can only give suggestion to you be it right or wrong BUT the decision falls on YOU, listen or not, its up to u.

Anyway, i understand there are a few bros that do hang out together to share their Joy or Problems... Maybe you can join them (I wanna join too but too bad i dun drink... :( )

Rorschach
14-01-2009, 08:58 PM
Sorry I am under moderation, and have been unable to post along the way. I respect each and everyone's opinion in this thread and we have to weigh everything and make a decision for ourselves... I actually wrote a third post of my saga somewhere behind but there has been so much activity since then that I will hold off describing my last day with her for now. Not that it is very titillating... sorry... but I hope you will find it interesting.

I am not going to China to meet her - that much I am sure. With the turning of the new year, I am ready to move on. We shall see if this chapter opens again if she ever comes back, and if I am ever in a 无法自拔 kind of situation, I know where to turn to.

I do agree however that the thought has crossed my mind many times. And we may find reasons to justify why it would be a good reason to go... I get to see how she lives, I can get to enter a world where only the two of us exist, I can get to pamper her... and most of all, I know that I will enjoy myself with her for that very short period.

But like I mentioned in my last post, there cannot be any future. I do not see myself marrying her, she would hardly fit into my social circle, her past would forever niggle me. And I would constantly be wondering what would happen one day if I was down and out.

All I know is that I can give now. I can invest a lot of time, emotion and money - because I can afford it at the moment. Other than the money I spend on her, I believe that there exists underlying affection on her side too.

But it is all maya, all illusion. And it will crumble when reality hits the two of us, that such a relationship is unsustainable and unworkable.

Bros, some of you may live life based on 只靠感觉 .... It is not my place to judge you, I lived the last few months with abandon and wholly depending on how I felt when I was with her. Even through this period, I could feel the threads around my life start to unravel, only that I thought that I could pick up the pieces anytime I wanted.

The illusion of control. I never had it in the first place, and that got me into this confused state. The tapestry that was my life was rent, torn and frayed in just a matter of months.

I am going to relive my memories of my last day with her in the next post, but my feet are now on terra firma. Goodnight, and good luck.

pussyman72
14-01-2009, 11:16 PM
Bro Pussyman, 1stly i dun know thai or is it viet that you type...hahaha but what you said i totally agree!
WANNA PLAY BETTER CAN PAY
CANNOT PAY, DUN PLAY

Lol it doesn't matter from which country. I asean members plus extended asia liao even 1/4 nato. See till sian

Most important pple have to wake up their idea n stop dreaming. Anyway a lot of people have said it many time in forum.

Wooden_Handle
15-01-2009, 12:21 AM
I think most of bros here appreciate our 'Resident Uncles' DYBJ, colins, etc etc advices.

However whether the individual will wake up or not still depends on individual.

Its just like similar examples:

1. RAW sex with WL is dangerous, but still some requested for doing raw.

2. Doctors and govt keep saying stop smoking, drinking, eating fatty food, but still a lots of ppl do.

etc etc...

You guys can only do so much I think.

colins
15-01-2009, 01:31 AM
1. RAW sex with WL is dangerous, but still some requested for doing raw.

2. Doctors and govt keep saying stop smoking, drinking, eating fatty food, but still a lots of ppl do.


Hmmmmmm....bro DYBJ what do you think? ;)

DO_YOU_BJ
15-01-2009, 01:53 AM
Hmmmmmm....bro DYBJ what do you think? ;)

What?
No comment bwahahahaha

slider_72
15-01-2009, 10:10 AM
I am not going to China to meet her - that much I am sure. With the turning of the new year, I am ready to move on. We shall see if this chapter opens again if she ever comes back, and if I am ever in a 无法自拔 kind of situation, I know where to turn to.

I do agree however that the thought has crossed my mind many times. And we may find reasons to justify why it would be a good reason to go... I get to see how she lives, I can get to enter a world where only the two of us exist, I can get to pamper her... and most of all, I know that I will enjoy myself with her for that very short period.

But like I mentioned in my last post, there cannot be any future. I do not see myself marrying her, she would hardly fit into my social circle, her past would forever niggle me. And I would constantly be wondering what would happen one day if I was down and out.

All I know is that I can give now. I can invest a lot of time, emotion and money - because I can afford it at the moment. Other than the money I spend on her, I believe that there exists underlying affection on her side too.

I am going to relive my memories of my last day with her in the next post, but my feet are now on terra firma. Goodnight, and good luck.

Bro, I certainly hope that your feet are now on terra firma and you are simply typing all these as a mean of venting your frustrations. Because your last post gives me the impression that you are not fully in control of yourself and worse, that there is a very deadly weapon still embeded in you; 希望。

If you really want to go up, there will be a million and one justifications that you will come up with. But the only real justification is 希望。 You hope that things will change. You hope for a miracle. You hope to be transported to a different world away from your present problems.

Now that is dangerous bro.

希望 is probably one of the most effective tool the WLs can use on us. By giving you hope of more goodies, they are able to entice you further and deeper into the abyss. It would be difficult for you to re-gain control after that.

Now that she is not in Singapore, your rational mind will come up with a million and one reasons why you two cannot be together. Unless you are able to exorcise the demon within you, the moment you see her again, you will probably crumble and fall again. And trust me, most of them will come back. It is just a question of time.

The demon within you, like most of us who experienced this in the past, is usually yourself. Go to the root of the problem and once this is resolved, there will be light at the end of the tunnel.

EtherC
15-01-2009, 10:32 AM
Flash floods happen all the time. Seen too much of it.

cablesnwires
15-01-2009, 11:05 AM
.....
Not that it is very titillating... sorry... but I hope you will find it interesting.
.....


Bro Rorschach,

I like the style you are writing, and perhaps it does mrirror most, if not all bros who had been KC-ed.

I particularly like the way you penned down in your earlier post about choosing to ignore the missing pieces in her life, and doing selective hearing on those things that you want to hear. Why do I find it familiar? ;)

I shall wait for your concluding chapter, even though I already know what and how the outcome is.

==============

Brothers and Sisters,

I would like to ask about the opinion about this:

Would you think it is possible to have a platonic relationship with a WL / FL while she's away, and have a sexual relationship with her while they are together? And if this is possible, at what price do you think that the both of them need to pay?

slider_72
15-01-2009, 05:40 PM
Would you think it is possible to have a platonic relationship with a WL / FL while she's away, and have a sexual relationship with her while they are together? And if this is possible, at what price do you think that the both of them need to pay?

I think it is not impossible but highly improbable.

She is interested in money, you are interested in sex. When you are apart, there are no further transactions and/or benefits. The likelihood of further contact will diminish. Chances are you will probably have different lifestyles and experienced different things. Once she is not around, what common topics are you two going to talk about? Even friends need to have regular contact in order to maintain the friendship.

We are from a different world from these people. For them, lying and selling their bodies are part and parcel of life. For most of us, we cannot see things from their perspective. Worst of all, most of us are guarded against these WLs and are unlikely to trust them the same way we would trust our other friends. As such, can we really be considered as friends with them in the first place?

When I was young and naive, I used to think that we can be friends with WLs, even after they leave. More and more I am getting cynical. Friends do not lie to each other as a matter of habit. If you found out that your friend has been lying to you about certain things, chances are that person is not going to be your friend for long.

With these WLs, even though they are back home, they are likely to continue lying to you about things. They could be shagging somebody back home but tell you they disappeared for a while because they were meditating at the local nunnery. Why do they do that? To me, it is because they continue to see you as a potential source of income. Once they are back, if the relationship is maintained, chances are you will rtf. If the string is broken, they will have to start all over again to find new customers. In their mind, they will probably be thinking why give up a more or less assured source of income? The cost to them is not high, probably the cost of sending a few smses.

The cost to us? May be high if the guy invested his emotions into this "friendship".

A famous phrase from the movie "When Harry met Sally" - Man and woman cannot be friends, because the sex gets in between.

Charmaine
15-01-2009, 06:04 PM
Sorry I am under moderation, and have been unable to post along the way. I respect each and everyone's opinion in this thread and we have to weigh everything and make a decision for ourselves... I actually wrote a third post of my saga somewhere behind but there has been so much activity since then that I will hold off describing my last day with her for now. Not that it is very titillating... sorry... but I hope you will find it interesting.

I am not going to China to meet her - that much I am sure. With the turning of the new year, I am ready to move on. We shall see if this chapter opens again if she ever comes back, and if I am ever in a 无法自拔 kind of situation, I know where to turn to.

I do agree however that the thought has crossed my mind many times. And we may find reasons to justify why it would be a good reason to go... I get to see how she lives, I can get to enter a world where only the two of us exist, I can get to pamper her... and most of all, I know that I will enjoy myself with her for that very short period.

But like I mentioned in my last post, there cannot be any future. I do not see myself marrying her, she would hardly fit into my social circle, her past would forever niggle me. And I would constantly be wondering what would happen one day if I was down and out.

All I know is that I can give now. I can invest a lot of time, emotion and money - because I can afford it at the moment. Other than the money I spend on her, I believe that there exists underlying affection on her side too.

But it is all maya, all illusion. And it will crumble when reality hits the two of us, that such a relationship is unsustainable and unworkable.

Bros, some of you may live life based on 只靠感觉 .... It is not my place to judge you, I lived the last few months with abandon and wholly depending on how I felt when I was with her. Even through this period, I could feel the threads around my life start to unravel, only that I thought that I could pick up the pieces anytime I wanted.

The illusion of control. I never had it in the first place, and that got me into this confused state. The tapestry that was my life was rent, torn and frayed in just a matter of months.

I am going to relive my memories of my last day with her in the next post, but my feet are now on terra firma. Goodnight, and good luck.

Hi there, I feel you, especially with what you shared with us in bold above. I went through the exact same thing, but made my choice. Like you, the turn of the year represented a fresh new beginning for me.

The most important thing is to be happy. If you see yourself happy with her, then forge ahead and don't let anyone else dictate what you have decided to do. If you don't see yourself happy with her or foresee anyone else replacing her in the near of distant future, then re-look at proceedings.

Fitting into social circles and the stigma of what she has done before are all valid considerations, but the most crucial aspect is yourself. This is your life, my friend, not others. Make decisions based solely based on what you think will work best for yourself. Friends come and go, memories come and may well wilter, but your spouse, or whoever you choose to have with you, stay with you for life.

Your train of thought mirrors very similarly to what I went through before I decided on my own leap of faith, so I feel compelled to reply to your thread. PM me if you need a listening ear. I'd love to catch up for a drink.

Stranger things have happened - you just need to believe. WL or not, they are still women at the end of the day. Extract what she does for a living out the equation, what her social status is, even her nationality, and look at her as a person. Be fair to her in that way and you will be clearer about your own position as well.

DRSG
15-01-2009, 07:21 PM
Hi there, I feel you, especially with what you shared with us in bold above. I went through the exact same thing, but made my choice. Like you, the turn of the year represented a fresh new beginning for me.

The most important thing is to be happy. If you see yourself happy with her, then forge ahead and don't let anyone else dictate what you have decided to do. If you don't see yourself happy with her or foresee anyone else replacing her in the near of distant future, then re-look at proceedings.

Fitting into social circles and the stigma of what she has done before are all valid considerations, but the most crucial aspect is yourself. This is your life, my friend, not others. Make decisions based solely based on what you think will work best for yourself. Friends come and go, memories come and may well wilter, but your spouse, or whoever you choose to have with you, stay with you for life.

Your train of thought mirrors very similarly to what I went through before I decided on my own leap of faith, so I feel compelled to reply to your thread. PM me if you need a listening ear. I'd love to catch up for a drink.

Stranger things have happened - you just need to believe. WL or not, they are still women at the end of the day. Extract what she does for a living out the equation, what her social status is, even her nationality, and look at her as a person. Be fair to her in that way and you will be clearer about your own position as well.

Charmaine,

You are absolutely right.Your last para echoes my sentiments succintly.

Cheers!

warbird
15-01-2009, 07:31 PM
I think it is not impossible but highly improbable.

She is interested in money, you are interested in sex. When you are apart, there are no further transactions and/or benefits. The likelihood of further contact will diminish...

We are from a different world from these people. For them, lying and selling their bodies are part and parcel of life...

When I was young and naive, I used to think that we can be friends with WLs, even after they leave. More and more I am getting cynical. Friends do not lie to each other as a matter of habit...

With these WLs, even though they are back home, they are likely to continue lying to you about things. They could be shagging somebody back home but tell you they disappeared for a while because...To me, it is because they continue to see you as a potential source of income... The cost to them is not high, probably the cost of sending a few smses.

The cost to us? May be high if the guy invested his emotions into this "friendship".

A famous phrase from the movie "When Harry met Sally" - Man and woman cannot be friends, because the sex gets in between.

Hi bro slider_72,

Excellent analysis.

Generally speaking, it may be a mistake to maintain ctc w/ these PRC MMs after their return to China. There will always be new supply of younger n prettier gals next yr. Unless they are so good that u die die must RTF them or bao yang them. :cool:

Cheers!!

warbird
15-01-2009, 07:40 PM
Hi there, I feel you, especially with what you shared with us in bold above. I went through the exact same thing, but made my choice. Like you, the turn of the year represented a fresh new beginning for me.

The most important thing is to be happy. If you see yourself happy with her, then forge ahead...

Stranger things have happened - you just need to believe. WL or not, they are still women at the end of the day. Extract what she does for a living out the equation, what her social status is, even her nationality, and look at her as a person. Be fair to her in that way and you will be clearer about your own position as well.

Hi bro Charmaine,

There are many sides to a story. I guess it's the Rashomon effect, haha.

Your last paragraph is really illuminating.

Thx n good night!

DRSG
15-01-2009, 08:08 PM
Hi there, I feel you, especially with what you shared with us in bold above. I went through the exact same thing, but made my choice. Like you, the turn of the year represented a fresh new beginning for me.

The most important thing is to be happy. If you see yourself happy with her, then forge ahead and don't let anyone else dictate what you have decided to do. If you don't see yourself happy with her or foresee anyone else replacing her in the near of distant future, then re-look at proceedings.

Fitting into social circles and the stigma of what she has done before are all valid considerations, but the most crucial aspect is yourself. This is your life, my friend, not others. Make decisions based solely based on what you think will work best for yourself. Friends come and go, memories come and may well wilter, but your spouse, or whoever you choose to have with you, stay with you for life.

Stranger things have happened - you just need to believe. WL or not, they are still women at the end of the day. Extract what she does for a living out the equation, what her social status is, even her nationality, and look at her as a person. Be fair to her in that way and you will be clearer about your own position as well.


Precisely by adopting your last para I will be seeing my PRC love next week in Beijing and taking her for a holiday out of China.
Last saw her 3 months ago.Kc Kc bothways.We were happy.Can't wait to see her again.

rete700i
15-01-2009, 10:00 PM
Hey my dear fucking pathetic dickhead profane, WOW! you are performing here! GREAT! :D

Try putting on this look, suits you. http://www.sirbudproductions.com/images/photos/2008-MikeBecvar-Clown-500x500.JPG

Hey dicky, 'FUCK YOU' is the only word to use. :)

BlurWolfe
16-01-2009, 01:08 AM
I used to have this kind of thoughts, believed me and now no more.

Think about it, the WL comes all the way to SG to work, why? better $$$? may be, but so much competitions, may be they can earn more if working in PRC.

Then the anonymous factor, they come here so that their bfs or hubby dont know what they are doing and earn the $$$ go back and enjoy with them.

At the end of day they are women, they use their only advantage to make $$$ why? and their hearts are not here.

Forget about those mom in hospital, house burnt down stories, if the WL wants to make $$$, she can jolly well go SZ or any part of PRC, but the main thing is if she goes those places ppl will know what she is up to and she can bluff when she goes back from SG that she is not doing anything.

So at end of day, her heart is always with someone else, her companionship to you is just a transaction to keep you happy.



Stranger things have happened - you just need to believe. WL or not, they are still women at the end of the day. Extract what she does for a living out the equation, what her social status is, even her nationality, and look at her as a person. Be fair to her in that way and you will be clearer about your own position as well.

pussyman72
16-01-2009, 03:02 AM
So at end of day, her heart is always with someone else, her companionship to you is just a transaction to keep you happy.

true true u never know is it true so if this is the case better dont get involve else get burn... unless no scare n willing take risk by all means but again i had to said dont push the blame on others when the person choose the path to get involve in the first place... :)

pussyman72
16-01-2009, 03:05 AM
Stranger things have happened - you just need to believe. WL or not, they are still women at the end of the day. Extract what she does for a living out the equation, what her social status is, even her nationality, and look at her as a person. Be fair to her in that way and you will be clearer about your own position as well.

well my friend what u said is not wrong but again what u just said is a very dangerous word to pple who just started in this kind of relationship with no eyes n ears.... their hands are still like baby hands... will get burn ;)

nobody asking pple to look down on the gers. they are all human but when pity comes in then it very very dangerous liao.... inviting trouble...... So long we treat them like a woman n treat them well is good enough. no need to know so much later sink into it then there is no turning point... that is my advices to pple

colins
16-01-2009, 03:38 AM
Stranger things have happened - you just need to believe. WL or not, they are still women at the end of the day. Extract what she does for a living out the equation, what her social status is, even her nationality, and look at her as a person. Be fair to her in that way and you will be clearer about your own position as well.

No offense, but when I heard the sentence 'you just need to believe' in the movie Polar Express, I was quite touched by what that sentence represents. But bro, the line in the movie means believing in oneself rather than in a fairy tale. It means if you believe fantasy is true, you do get the happiness and be able to do wonders in your own life.

I've seen your story and I believe you. I may even believe your girl but can I believe every WL? If the answer is no, your advice can be quite dangerous. Think about it, the mass can be so encouraged that without knowledge of your history and rationale, they may just 'believe'.

We can be fair to every WL, but we must be fair to ourselves first. Being fair only to others put you very much under a fog of war. You tend to get very myopic and look for excuses to justify your choice. Whether your choice is good or bad, it doesnt matter cos none of us can accurately predict each other's future. So the idea becomes, which side will you err towards. You want to err to her benefit or on the side of your own safety.

Our positions will always get clearer with justifications. However, justification needs to be completely objective with any biased from your heart.

DO_YOU_BJ
16-01-2009, 04:56 AM
The most important thing is to be happy. If you see yourself happy with her, then forge ahead and don't let anyone else dictate what you have decided to do. If you don't see yourself happy with her or foresee anyone else replacing her in the near of distant future, then re-look at proceedings.

Your train of thought mirrors very similarly to what I went through before I decided on my own leap of faith, so I feel compelled to reply to your thread.

Charmaine, yes, in all fairness, maybe to most, treat them well. Hell, i know i dun bwahahaha
Next, from your posts...you r or were wif a thai??? No???
This is PRC
Yes like the old story goes, there are success stories...but very very small percentage only.
Next, like our bro cassanova once posted, who happened to by wif a viet, its a totally diff ball game when it comes to PRC WLs..........

When coming into the realm of matters of the heart wif a PRC WL, the best solution is not to have a heart........else, heart kenna plug out still say damn song!!!;)

yingge
16-01-2009, 07:38 AM
Y still so many ppl falls for it?

slider_72
16-01-2009, 10:02 AM
Stranger things have happened - you just need to believe. WL or not, they are still women at the end of the day. Extract what she does for a living out the equation, what her social status is, even her nationality, and look at her as a person. Be fair to her in that way and you will be clearer about your own position as well.

Bro, with all due respect, your last paragraph is quite dangerous, especially to one whose mind is clouded by emotions.

It is highly dangerous to just believe a WL, in particular, PRC WLs. From what I have seen, all of them, without exceptions, are prone to hiding the truth and/or giving you a watered down version of the truth. Unless the bro has a clear mind, how is he to know which version is the truth and which version is less than true?

Do not get me wrong, I have nothing against what they do for a living, their social status and nationality. In fact, I hold WLs in higher regards than politicians, especially the one who said there are two possibilities about Mas Selamat; he is either in Singapore or not in Singapore (sheesh, what a moron, can there be any other possibility?)

The question I have here is that how can you be so sure that the WL is telling you the truth about everything? While they are also human with emotional needs as well, surely their emotional needs can be satisfied by their fellow countrymen. Why then do they invest their emotional capital on a guy 5,000 km away from home? Once you harbour suspicions about the truth and veracity of what they tell you, the very foundation of a long-term relationship is destroyed.

From the WL's perspective, they are here to make money. If they can make you happy, chances are they get better business. If they sense that it is gfe you desire, trust me you will get loads of it. Whether or not it is real or fake only she will know. With that as a starting point, while it is not impossible for the WL's feelings to transform from fake to real, how do we know when is the turning point? Once our minds are clouded by emotions, we will tend to pick out the beansprout from the fried bee hoon and say that this is evidence of of the truth of her feelings for me.

I suppose my main argument is that we should protect and preserve ourselves first and foremost. Unfortunately, due to their profession, before any bro commits themselves in a serious relationship, it would be inevitable that the girl and the relationship would be subject to a barrage of tests. Is it really worth it? Are we so devoid of suitable women of marriageable age in this country that we need to resort to "foreign talents" in this regard?

Charmaine
16-01-2009, 11:00 AM
Dear All,

Thank you all for the very balanced and frankly illuminating counter advices, and that in itself illustrates the genuine beauty of this forum - there are always alternative viewpoints to consider, and every one of us only give our input with the most sincere of intentions.

Ultimately, nobody will understand the situation better than the thread starter himself. He's given us snippets of information, described his story, but matters of the heart extend beyond merely looking at the facts, hedging them against the hazards of an otherwise wrong decision, and making a stand based on a simple "pros and cons" list.

He needs to follow his heart. That's love in a nutshell, isn't it? It isn't rocket science - there is sometimes no need to analyse, re-analyse and break everything down into the most minute of details. Love isn't mathematics - it's organic. The heart will tell you everything.

My story seems to suggest that I've been one of the lucky ones, but I still might get duped. Nobody knows for sure - she might end up marrying me, plundering a Singapore PR and running off with another man even before you can say "Sawa Dee Khrup". I know the pitfalls and I know them well. But I've made my choice. If things didn't end up right, I wouldn't fuck myself, because I've been warned about the potentials of being KC-ed to death but still I KC-ed willingly. But if everything turned out fine and we live happily ever after, then I wouldn't be the first person to shout "I told you so" on top of a roof.

I know it's extremely dangerous advice, but all I'm saying is that I've seen too many examples of potential relationships (with WLs or not) gone wrong simply because people think too much. Love is about feelings, emotion and dreams. Follow your heart and you'll get burnt most of the time, but you'll be set on fire with a smile on your face. Follow your head and things might turn out well, but you might well never see another spark in your life again.

All things considered, the thread starter has said he is in a current situation where he can afford, financially (I presume emotionally as well, because the relationship just started), to carry this on to as far as it can possibly go. That was my exact sentiments when I first started out on my own. But it's lasted 2 years and the counter's still running. If he gave up now he might still be in a position to extract himself out of a tight situation, but I just don't want him, or any other person for that matter, to live life with a big "What if" hanging over his head for the rest of his life. Don't ask; find out.

I'm just that sort of person, I guess. Maybe that's why I'm in love with a G-Club girl. All of you are right - it's dangerous advice. But I'm giving it from my heart. :)

HCKing
16-01-2009, 11:25 AM
KC with PRC gal bears a much higher chance of failure bro.:o

slider_72
16-01-2009, 12:44 PM
All of you are right - it's dangerous advice. But I'm giving it from my heart. :)

A senior bro here always tell me that I treat these WLs with too much heart and that it is dangerous for me. Not surprising advice coming from a senior bro. What was surprising was that yesterday, a WL whom I get along quite well with told me the exact same thing, that I treat WLs with too much heart. She told me that unless I am able to change my approach, I should reduce my cheonging. Otherwise, in her own words, "你会死得很惨。"

Can you imagine bro, these words came from one of them. What does that tell you about their mentality?

warbird
16-01-2009, 12:51 PM
Dear All,

Thank you all for the very balanced and frankly illuminating counter advices, and that in itself illustrates the genuine beauty of this forum - there are always alternative viewpoints to consider, and every one of us only give our input with the most sincere of intentions.

....

All things considered, the thread starter has said he is in a current situation where he can afford, financially (I presume emotionally as well, because the relationship just started), to carry this on to as far as it can possibly go...

I'm just that sort of person, I guess. Maybe that's why I'm in love with a G-Club girl. All of you are right - it's dangerous advice. But I'm giving it from my heart. :)

Beautiful advice.

I also like to follow my heart, but being a logical person, I "monitor" it constantly w/ my mind. Even though I hv been burnt twice by love, I'm not afraid to love. Why? It's much better to be hurt repeatedly than never to experience love again. I know this is dangerous advice. But what doesn't kill u will make u stronger, haha.:cool:

Here are 2 of my favourite quotes on love:

"It is best to love wisely, no doubt;
but to love foolishly is better than
not to be able to love at all."
~ William Thackeray

"To fear love is to fear life,
and those who fear life are already three parts dead."
~ Bertrand Russell

So dun be fearful of love, but learn to love wisely...

Cheers!!

DRSG
16-01-2009, 02:00 PM
Beautiful advice.

I also like to follow my heart, but being a logical person, I "monitor" it constantly w/ my mind. Even though I hv been burnt twice by love, I'm not afraid to love. Why? It's much better to be hurt repeatedly than never to experience love again. I know this is dangerous advice. But what doesn't kill u will make u stronger, haha.:cool:

Here are 2 of my favourite quotes on love:

"It is best to love wisely, no doubt;
but to love foolishly is better than
not to be able to love at all."
~ William Thackeray

"To fear love is to fear life,
and those who fear life are already three parts dead."
~ Bertrand Russell

So dun be fearful of love, but learn to love wisely...

Cheers!!

Warbird is a poet.
To me to love is to live.
To live without love is not to live at all.

Camping for more from Charmaine,Slider,Collins.DYBJ and of course Warbird.
Brothers in arms need to listen from brothers.

DO_YOU_BJ
16-01-2009, 04:59 PM
Bro Charmaine, yes you are rite, that's the beauty of this forum....always having opinions from both ends of the spectrum...also, do note, many of those who are posting advises are all old timers of this game...some were victims too....cos they used to USE THEIR HEART!!!!! Now their heart are filled with handyplas else it'll leak hahahaha
Allow me to add some points in to what you posted...its not targetted at you but i feel your posting is EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS TO YOURS AND OTHERS HEALTH SHUD THEY DECIDE TO ADOPT YOUR STYLE!!!!!!!!!:D

Ultimately, nobody will understand the situation better than the thread starter himself. He's given us snippets of information, described his story, but matters of the heart extend beyond merely looking at the facts, hedging them against the hazards of an otherwise wrong decision, and making a stand based on a simple "pros and cons" list.
Totally agree...but didnt you already know, its always the same shit, same story only actors are different???

He needs to follow his heart. That's love in a nutshell, isn't it? It isn't rocket science - there is sometimes no need to analyse, re-analyse and break everything down into the most minute of details. Love isn't mathematics - it's organic. The heart will tell you everything.
When ploughing this minefield, the only key to your pocket or a PR status is your heart.......how else can they get what they want here????? That's what i always say to many people who cheong, you cheong wif your brain, but if you use your heart to cheong, sooner or later, you'll be forced into early retirement. Heart and mind must always sync...if at any one time, your heart and mind differs in views, that's your defense mechanism trying to tok to you....to me..it's time to listen.......like what Bro Slider mentioned plucking the tow gay from the char bee hoon theory

My story seems to suggest that I've been one of the lucky ones, but I still might get duped. Nobody knows for sure - she might end up marrying me, plundering a Singapore PR and running off with another man even before you can say "Sawa Dee Khrup". I know the pitfalls and I know them well. But I've made my choice. If things didn't end up right, I wouldn't fuck myself, because I've been warned about the potentials of being KC-ed to death but still I KC-ed willingly. But if everything turned out fine and we live happily ever after, then I wouldn't be the first person to shout "I told you so" on top of a roof.
Yes, like i always quote, personal choice. You reap wat you sow. But always remember, TS posted PRC....that's very important.....the viets, indons, thai's are not even near the league of a PRC...this is in terms of mind games.......maybe if you ever had a chance...try them...also, PRCs come with a different price tag as compared to the others mentioned la..........no pun intended

I know it's extremely dangerous advice, but all I'm saying is that I've seen too many examples of potential relationships (with WLs or not) gone wrong simply because people think too much. Love is about feelings, emotion and dreams. Follow your heart and you'll get burnt most of the time, but you'll be set on fire with a smile on your face. Follow your head and things might turn out well, but you might well never see another spark in your life again.
Thinking can save the day...save your ass...like wearing a condom when fucking over thinking that becos she says she's clean, luv u n never RAW before.......that's brains........but use heart...yeah baby, luv u deep deep, yeah u clean, ok we raw raw...silly scenario but u get the idea hahahaha

All things considered, the thread starter has said he is in a current situation where he can afford, financially (I presume emotionally as well, because the relationship just started), to carry this on to as far as it can possibly go. That was my exact sentiments when I first started out on my own. But it's lasted 2 years and the counter's still running. If he gave up now he might still be in a position to extract himself out of a tight situation, but I just don't want him, or any other person for that matter, to live life with a big "What if" hanging over his head for the rest of his life. Don't ask; find out.
That is called 希望and that's the most and only potent weapon all PRC WLs will try to plant into you else how can they have total domination over you?

I'm just that sort of person, I guess. Maybe that's why I'm in love with a G-Club girl. All of you are right - it's dangerous advice. But I'm giving it from my heart. :)
You're a good bloke dude, respects but a personal word of advise, GOOD GUYS DIE YOUNG!
In this world of entertainment, either you kill or be killed, no 2 ways about it. FACT!!!
Also, i repeat, do not, and i mean never, use a PRC WL to compare with a thai/viet/indon cos really bro, they're from a different class of mind and budget!
Upz u

pussyman72
17-01-2009, 05:18 AM
Can you imagine bro, these words came from one of them. What does that tell you about their mentality?

i wont be surprise a WL tells u that... if u get close with them and they are in very good term n treat u as a friend. they will tell u how the gers thinks in this trade and so on...

Some even show u how they trick men... KC them n so on... :)

haoyunqiqi
17-01-2009, 07:50 AM
Looks like no end.

colins
17-01-2009, 08:11 AM
I'm just that sort of person, I guess. Maybe that's why I'm in love with a G-Club girl. All of you are right - it's dangerous advice. But I'm giving it from my heart. :)

I respect your position becos you are willing to put yourself into the experiment and stake your heart into it after understanding the risk. Your heart is in it, your belief is also in it, no doubt you are speaking from your heart. It is genuine.

There is a difference between being genuine and impartial when we give advice. In being impartial, sometimes we might take a position in our belief and at the same time choose to be neutral. The reason is, we cannot expect others to understand the point of balance we achieved in our heart and the consequences we are prepared to brave if shit happens. It doesn't mean we are not genuine but the fact is we are putting impartiality as priority. We shouldn't chance people to hurt or put others at risk esp when nobody can ever truly understand our own balance.

Of cos, if those are your own point of view and what you do with your life, people respect it as your wishes. Personal wishes are then very different from advice. We have the duty of care to separate them clearly as we cannot ensure others can take same consequences as you. To quote from a very good example, bro casannova constant warns reader to practise caution whenever he raise a point that relationship with WL can indeed be fulfilling.

Like I say, no offence bro. Just voicing out my opinion as a reader of all your well written posts. ;)

cunt_search
17-01-2009, 11:08 AM
When o....WLs are more realistic than a lot of us, simply becos their circumstance are forcing them towards that direction.

So in that context, while we see many WL of high expectation as to the money they earn,... They have high hopes for their own future, and are willing to do whatever they can to earn it. ...rarely predict how they do it. ....

To cut.. To her, there is something as well. But we can be very sure your 'something' is different from her 'something' ..., we are all actors and actresses. ..

If ...becos 1. you dun want to accept 2. you need to believe in something sweet. Both reasons say that you are looking for a comfort zone, and her presence put you out of it, so thats why it bugs you.

... ;)

well said:)

cunt_search
17-01-2009, 11:25 AM
I...kisses seem real. ... without an emotional foundation?
you no watch drama & movie
best golden globe award go to...

I don't know. All I know was that she ignored every other customer in the joint when I am around and gave me her fullest attention. ..
mine was opposite...it feel more real....

..................................

I remember....

But meanwhile, my heart cries out with its own voice, desperately wanting to feel her near me again.

1) go cina look for her and talk things out?
2) find another to see if the same feelings - all prcs can provide same if not similar solace to sillipore men's lonely heart... again a society issue thank to the IC!

cunt_search
17-01-2009, 11:37 AM
my bad. its just a metaphor to bring a pt. :D

morphine is addictive but cannabis is actually very useful in curing alot of disability-related or muscle spasm disease. Cannabis is actually legal for medicinal purpose in the states.

u 2 doctors?
must be very rich then:p
no wunder cheongsters!rich cheongsters for the matter!!:D

SAVF_Visitor
17-01-2009, 12:07 PM
爱上一个不该爱上的女人就好像吸毒,结果吸上瘾了。
她回国了,毒瘾还在发作。最好的解毒方法就是时间,
时间会冲淡一切。如果戒毒成功,脑里的免疫系统一定会增强。
下次再吸毒上瘾,解毒时间也会缩短。

slider_72
17-01-2009, 02:57 PM
u 2 doctors?
must be very rich then:p

Sorry bro, we are both neither doctors nor rich. If Bro DIBJ is a doctor, he will probably say that both Morphine and Cannabis are legal in Singapore for medicinal purpose (and not just in the States). In fact, Morphine is regularly prescribed to patients at hospices suffering from advanced stage cancer as a pain-killer.

muguamugua
17-01-2009, 09:06 PM
Looks like we got alot of bro struggling with it everyday!

Wooden_Handle
18-01-2009, 12:31 AM
Actually morphine is used to numb their sensation and give them sense of good feeling, bro slider.

Cancer patients really need this at end stage, thats why the govt want the ppl to give up smoking, drinking, etc etc..

cablesnwires
18-01-2009, 02:40 PM
Actually morphine is used to numb their sensation and give them sense of good feeling, bro slider.

Cancer patients really need this at end stage, thats why the govt want the ppl to give up smoking, drinking, etc etc..

Morphine is used in post operations medication, especially those involved the heart. It not only numb the sensation, but also to relieve pain.

colins
18-01-2009, 05:56 PM
Actually morphine is used to numb their sensation and give them sense of good feeling, bro slider.

Cancer patients really need this at end stage, thats why the govt want the ppl to give up smoking, drinking, etc etc..

Morphine is used in post operations medication, especially those involved the heart. It not only numb the sensation, but also to relieve pain.

Ah...what? :confused:

Wooden_Handle
18-01-2009, 10:20 PM
I add one more - give up bonking: thats good for prostate later....:)

Ah...what? :confused:

colins
21-01-2009, 01:21 AM
I add one more - give up bonking: thats good for prostate later....:)

Hope thats not the question you're struggling with :p
juz kidding bro, I am just wondering why we talking about medicine now.

cablesnwires
21-01-2009, 10:24 AM
I am just wondering why we talking about medicine now.

There were some exchanges in the earlier posts talking about medicine... :D

Back to the topic, I am now wondering where is the TS? He has not concluded his story yet...

slider_72
21-01-2009, 10:27 AM
hope thats not the question you're struggling with :p
juz kidding bro, i am just wondering why we talking about medicine now.

万事略懂一些,生活乐趣多一些。

colins
21-01-2009, 05:06 PM
万事略懂一些,生活乐趣多一些。

The pursuit of happyness by knowing a little more chinese? hehehe...
ALL PUN INTENDED.

slider_72
21-01-2009, 05:42 PM
The pursuit of happyness by knowing a little more chinese? hehehe...
ALL PUN INTENDED.

Hehehe. That's right bro. I address her as my 老师。 I'm not kidding on that. Ultimate JAV fantasy dude, shagging the teacher with the heavenly D-cups.

colins
21-01-2009, 05:52 PM
Hehehe. That's right bro. I address her as my 老师。 I'm not kidding on that. Ultimate JAV fantasy dude, shagging the teacher with the heavenly D-cups.

I sorely wait for the chance to visit that private school but alas, after this weekend, only the 校工 will be left...:o

Wooden_Handle
22-01-2009, 12:12 AM
So sorry late reply, got to prepare for my overseas meetings next month.

Refer back to the quote, I was told by a well known Urologist about prostate disease when I was working under him donkey's year back..:p

Hope thats not the question you're struggling with :p

Wooden_Handle
22-01-2009, 12:16 AM
Bro colins must be thinking about privacy..:p

But must remember private one takes a lot of effort and time, to maintain it is very difficult.

I sorely wait for the chance to visit that private school but alas, after this weekend, only the 校工 will be left...:o

slider_72
22-01-2009, 12:44 PM
Enough about me and my private Chinese tuition teacher(s). :D What happened to TS? No sound no colour liao. Hopefully he did not make the trip to MeiMei land.

EtherC
22-01-2009, 12:55 PM
Maybe opiates made him happier.

Rorschach
22-01-2009, 08:38 PM
Ah, sorry for my absence. I was working on the story... am working on the story.. will be working on the story... hmm.

As time passes (and it's only been 3 weeks), the feelings are starting to diminish and real life sets in again. I have to try harder to put myself back into the position I was in just a few weeks ago to recall the gamut of emotions that I felt.

Nonetheless it will be completed, and then we will move on......

Charmaine
23-01-2009, 03:28 PM
I respect your position becos you are willing to put yourself into the experiment and stake your heart into it after understanding the risk. Your heart is in it, your belief is also in it, no doubt you are speaking from your heart. It is genuine.

There is a difference between being genuine and impartial when we give advice. In being impartial, sometimes we might take a position in our belief and at the same time choose to be neutral. The reason is, we cannot expect others to understand the point of balance we achieved in our heart and the consequences we are prepared to brave if shit happens. It doesn't mean we are not genuine but the fact is we are putting impartiality as priority. We shouldn't chance people to hurt or put others at risk esp when nobody can ever truly understand our own balance.

Of cos, if those are your own point of view and what you do with your life, people respect it as your wishes. Personal wishes are then very different from advice. We have the duty of care to separate them clearly as we cannot ensure others can take same consequences as you. To quote from a very good example, bro casannova constant warns reader to practise caution whenever he raise a point that relationship with WL can indeed be fulfilling.

Like I say, no offence bro. Just voicing out my opinion as a reader of all your well written posts. ;)

You know, sometimes, it pays to just believe in your gut instincts. Too much information, or thinking too in-depth, may well be detrimental to whatever was perfectly normal before you decided to brew up a storm, creating unnecessary conflict.

Just a few days ago, I dialed my girlfriend out of boredom (I just finished work then and waiting for the bus). She didn't pick up her call, and I thought nothing of it. I dialled again a couple of hours later and this time her mobile phone was off. Cue infinite advice threads (and countless other "farang-gets-cheated" and "Thai girls are all liars" stories) cautioning fellow forummers about being two-timed appearing in my head, and even though I was absolutely sure there was nothing to be worried about, I panicked.

Her text message came in a while later. "Sorry I turned off my mobile, I was watching movie with Nhung (her best friend). I'm on the way home now." I went against my instincts and decided to react on the side of caution. "If you went out with someone else I am ok. You don't have to lie. Movie? You didn't pick up your call just now and switched off your phone when I called again. Does a movie take that long to play out?"

She dialed me immediately, explaining to me (in a fairly irritated tone, I might add) that she caught two movies in a row with her friend, a Thai and a Chinese one, back-to-back. When I called she realised she didn't silent her phone and proceeded to just turn it off for fear of disturbing other patrons. She handed her phone over to Nhung who assured me in the sweetest voice that I was overracting and that I had nothing to worry about. "Do you need me to show you the ticket?" my girlfriend sighed. "It's ok." I blushed. "I just wanted to know that you're ok. Good night."

Listen to your heart - sometimes whatever you read on the internet mean well, but nobody will ever be in a better position to judge your own story than yourself. :)

cablesnwires
23-01-2009, 03:36 PM
It is difficult to differentiate between truth and lies, sometimes it is just a fine line between them.

We will always react to the side of caution.

Sighz...

cablesnwires
27-01-2009, 11:31 PM
Bro Rorschach, still waiting for your epilogue. :)

colins
28-01-2009, 01:14 AM
You know, sometimes, it pays to just believe in your gut instincts. Too much information, or thinking too in-depth, may well be detrimental to whatever was perfectly normal before you decided to brew up a storm, creating unnecessary conflict.


Hahaha...bro Charmaine, yes it doesn't pays to be paranoid. But it pays to keep people on their toe. This is like people management. Everyday you walk into office at 10am, then one day you stroll in at 8.45am. Continue that for 3 days, rush a high profile meeting at 8.30am, then hands off. It works.

But let's say on that morning that you walk into office at 8.45am, you start marking those who are late and straightaway penalise them for that 5-10mins, you'll get disgruntled staff who point fingers behind your back and say you are not leading by example. You will also appear to be very xiao qi, blamed as a feather-counter and basically start a mutiny culture.

Assuming that you open your eyes and keep information flowing to your brain when you do something out of the ordinary, esp when you know you are at your unpredictable time slot, you can actually see who is the hidden leader among the late comers. Who comes in late, who makes a lot of noise, who comes in early just to slack. From there, you can choose your way of handling them.

Your gf, or all our gfs never operate alone. You can catch them but when there is no apparent evidence available when you commit an action of distrust, you just get blown off. They might have gone anywhere done anything but as long as they have the circumstantial evidence to prove their story, you simply cannot commit the action. In other words, you are snooked. So in such case, just stay on the issue lightly, no strong emotions and play it cool. Make sure you do not close it yourself (like telling her you only want to know if she is alright, cos obviously she is). Just ask if the movie is nice and that you will also want to watch it someday so you can compare notes. Of cos you do not need to force yourself to watch it la, but she will understand what you mean. Lastly, talk about this event several times in different occasions, every so lightly and put forth new things to throw some spanner into their story, make them clarify for you.

In this way, you are not paranoid, you are not insecured, but you sent out a distinct message to your girl, dun thread with me and to her friend, dun ever think of fucking around with me. Your mind can only be clear if you expect the worst but still able to keep your cool in handling it. Cos in that way, you'll be in control no matter what happens.

The above is impartial advice, I can only give it cos I dun know your girl and her friend. Personally, I will give benefit of doubt for my girl in areas where she has proven me beyond doubt. Decide when it is time to decide, otherwise you'll always be faced with the consequence where that decision is on the line. If benefit of doubt is given already, dun stress liao. If not, make sure she prove herself at first opportunity. You decide on your trust level, not wait until she come test it. ;)

FL Lover
28-01-2009, 01:50 AM
You know, sometimes, it pays to just believe in your gut instincts. Too much information, or thinking too in-depth, may well be detrimental to whatever was perfectly normal before you decided to brew up a storm, creating unnecessary conflict.

Just a few days ago, I dialed my girlfriend out of boredom (I just finished work then and waiting for the bus). She didn't pick up her call, and I thought nothing of it. I dialled again a couple of hours later and this time her mobile phone was off.

Bro, someitmes it is good to excerise abit of caution. it is uncommon for pple to watch two movies at the same days, same cinema but just that differnet timings only. Does yor terak understands chinese that well?

All I can tell u is you should have at least ask for the name of those shows and how is the ending or storyline. From there, you will know if your terak is lying to u. Also, she might be taking a risk by saying abt the tickets even though she knew that u as a good bf will not ask her for that.

If you have been with yor terak for only a short while, I can only wish you all the luck. Let me ask you. Will you off the hp if you see yor loved one calling u in the middle of the show? I guess not. You will properly silent your hp. Lastly think abt it. Do you know that to off a hp and to silent a hp is done with different buttons all together. There is no way a person can off a hp that easily if she is trying to silent it.

Its yor call. Dont be blind by love. Its always the same trick but differnt actors or actresses only:p

pussyman72
28-01-2009, 03:51 AM
You know, sometimes, it pays to just believe in your gut instincts. Too much information, or thinking too in-depth, may well be detrimental to whatever was perfectly normal before you decided to brew up a storm, creating unnecessary conflict.

Now i start to worry for u bro charmaine. my exp again can only advice u that believing ur gut instinct will be ur down fall.

Example: i believe my ger will change for good bcos of me. i believe she now changing bcos i notice she not doing this work anymore, give up alot of things for me.

i notice she now dont go out late. sleep early. i notice now she become a good gf listen to me and love me more. blah blah blah....

my advices to u open ur eyes big, open ur ears wide. if u dont understand thai good luck to u cos u will never know what she been talking.

Another things how long u know her? 1 yr? 2yrs?
how many time u see her in a yrs or many days u spend with her in a yr? how well u know her with that kind of time u spend with her?
how much u know about her background? hear from her or u see it urself?

another things no matter what u ask where she goes. who she with blah blah blah so long u not there play by ears if u understand what i mean. it a 50 50.

yes being together is to have trust... but sometime trust too much n believing it the truth will kills u cos u dont understand thai very well and u dont know her very long. even u spend 30 days in a yr with her also not enough to know the ger well. that is a fact.

let me tell u something even we understand thai and our gf tell us they go here n there blah blah that doesnt mean she not doing anything bad. not saying they wont but we wont know even we ask them, they probably just tell u for the sake of telling.

Unless u read thai then maybe u start to able to find out something in her room. such as the house book whether she is married blah blah. is the so call bro is her real bro by seeing her house book or maybe some papers doc or letters she wrote to someone.

dont see it no use. it very useful when u know how to read thai. my thai reading sucks, i still learning. some words i can make out only. so i always deploy my thai friends. I will take pic of the doc n letters and then msn to my friends. asking them to decode it for me. to see what is in the letter or what does the document said.

oh never tell the gers u know how to read ;)

pussyman72
28-01-2009, 03:57 AM
Its yor call. Dont be blind by love. Its always the same trick but differnt actors or actresses only:p

lol mate most of the pple are blinded by love. If they are not aware they will just fall into the pit.

thais are very good actress. they can send out the baits and reel in slowly to catch the fish. Time is the game for the thais WL. they will bleed the guy overtime. by the time the guy knows he have lost alot of blood.

viet WL are not as clever, they slash the guys throat as soon as they know the guy is crazy over them n then kick them out. else they move on new target as soon as they know they cant get a shit from u. again time is the game but a fast time game :)

anyway be it who is clever or what. dont blame anyone but ourself for using dick head to think rather then using our brain to think... this is what i notice... lol of course me also but when i cant get my pussy, i also move on LOL want to kc me money can lol i want juicy pussy n a good fark. i anything also can so long i get a good fark. of course dont ask me 20k baht lol she can wait long long :p

fee3fow
28-01-2009, 08:08 AM
anyway be it who is clever or what. dont blame anyone but ourself for using dick head to think rather then using our brain to think... this is what i notice...

Haha true true just like Lehman Brother bankrupt then the buyers keep blaming the bank for cheating their money. The bank never use gun and knife to force people buy shares/bonds hor, it is people greedy want to make more money then buy willing. (Lehman buyer pls dun zap me ah just my $0.02 worth :p)

colins
28-01-2009, 11:11 AM
Haha true true just like Lehman Brother bankrupt then the buyers keep blaming the bank for cheating their money. The bank never use gun and knife to force people buy shares/bonds hor, it is people greedy want to make more money then buy willing. (Lehman buyer pls dun zap me ah just my $0.02 worth :p)

Ah bro...dun go there la...quite under-the-belt. I can understand your analogy but usually we choose one story which is less charged up then the actual issue. This is people's life savings you're talking about.

bro PM72, well said and spoken like a true experienced cheongster. Can learn a lot from you man. ;)

yayatiger
28-01-2009, 05:50 PM
Haha true true just like Lehman Brother bankrupt then the buyers keep blaming the bank for cheating their money. The bank never use gun and knife to force people buy shares/bonds hor, it is people greedy want to make more money then buy willing. (Lehman buyer pls dun zap me ah just my $0.02 worth :p)

Agreed.
The gals never use knife or gun, just use their sia nei power.
Thats a powerful weapon if u r not prepared against it.

Rorschach
28-01-2009, 10:19 PM
Writing it from my memory. This happened a few weeks ago, but it seems like such a long time....

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Her moods seemed a bit darker of late, and naturally I was concerned. I was not the least bit interested in KTV politics, but I wanted to know what was bugging her.

Her reply - the company was not being supportive of the singers. They were all hired as performing artistes and were expected to pull in an appreciative audience, only the fact that there was simply no business owing to the negative economic sentiment and they were mainly singing to empty lounges most days of the week.

Thus the implicit pressure to pay the company back what was supposed to be the company's share. You may think to yourself that you can't possibly pay back when you are not earning, but the company was coming out with some strong-arm tactics.

"Will you walk the streets then?" I asked her, my curiosity mildly piqued.

"You've got to be kidding me! I came here to work as a singer not as...." she replied, slightly miffed.

I didn't know what to think. I tried asking the waiters after giving them some generous tips if they would observe for me if she ever left indiscriminately with anyone. Over the next few times, they would pull me to one side and shake their head, saying they have never seen her leave with anyone.

I pressed on saying, "surely she must have some regular customers who like to bring her out for supper after the joint closes, doesn't she?"

They thought hard and said, "Actually no, she has not changed ever since she started work, other than since you started coming here. You and her have suddenly become very close eh?"

..... fast forwarding to a more recent memory...

She mentioned to me that she hated the life in this particular joint, and wanted to go home back to the simple life that she had in her village at least for a while. Yes, she is a peasant girl who was probably seduced by the great economic reformation that China was going through. The cities which spring up overnight in Southern China with their thousands of factories and the huge increase in incomes of people living in the Pearl River Delta. (She once confessed to me that she was still uncomfortable using a knife and fork to eat with....)

I cannot blame her for choosing this life. I cannot agree with it after I started feeling for her, but one has to realize that many of us are in the situation where we have the means to enjoy a seemingly unlimited amount of pandering from a non-stop supply of hot women because we weren't born in some village where our parents work the paddy fields. A total crapshoot with regards to where we were born... but I digress.....

I sent her a message on a Sunday night, asking her when she would be leaving. She said, "Very soon, I think my plane tickets have been booked for Tuesday."

My world (or what I knew of it) came crashing down at that very moment. She was going back, and I might never see her again. My mind was running wildly in all directions as I texted her back saying

"I knew you were going back, and I thought I was prepared for it... but this is almost more than I can bear."

Her reply was short and sweet saying, "This is not the end... I am feeling unwell tonight...."

to be continued...

DO_YOU_BJ
29-01-2009, 05:44 AM
Bro Rorschach, singers have a min monthly target to hit.
This u shud know.
Wanna get involved wif one...better have the $$$$ to maintain it......
Worst, yup, if they cant deliver, company will send them back.
No 2 ways about it.
Unless you can afford, you shuldnt try to be involved wif one cos everytime they cant hit quota, they'll cry to you & you'll feel so helpless.........

pussyman72
29-01-2009, 10:43 AM
bro PM72, well said and spoken like a true experienced cheongster. Can learn a lot from you man. ;)

lol bro colin i not very x cheongster. i also kanna burn burn b4 bbq pork liao so bbq pork come out to share what he know :p

lol i also now very lonely viet mei mei mai me liao i very sad :( no pussy liao sob sob nvm time to go new one :p

Smeagol
29-01-2009, 06:11 PM
Am very touched by Rorschach's story....... it's not easy and extremely embarrassing for me to share what I'm about to type, but what the heck

I've been cheonging for more than 10years. Had many gfs inside and outside the nite scenes. Never gave a hoot about KTV girls....... because it's clear to me that they are mostly liars. Years ago I started visiting Singers joints. Ah..... they are fun to be with, like KTV girls their words can never be easily trusted. So much said about singers.... I just wanna have my share of fun and c whether I can bed a few of them. Truely... there's no honey that cannot be bought with money. Several singers have i bedded.

Head in the air..... I though I was invincible, unbreakable by any ladies of the nite scene. Then came...... well let just call her "Dimples" for easy reference sake. Dimples was possibly one of the worst performing singer in the joint. Meeting her was nothing more than fate because she was the first singer the manager pushed to me. So began our friendship. For her entire 6 months stint in Singapore.... I supported her fully and made sure she met the monthly target. With my income... it was manageable and not too much pain for me. As far as I could observe, I don't think she had any other supporters... at least not as supportive as how I had been. Then again I could be very wrong.... guess i will never know.

Well our relationship grew......and i was starting to like and eventually love Dimples. She never failed to make me laugh. No matter how bad my day had been, 30mins of her companionship (not in bed mind u) was enough to brighten my day again. I've always believed that the most perfect love is one where both persons loved each other with no obligations.... freely and in all abundance. She was the closest the person that I thought would complete my life. Those 6 months together was some of my happiest moment in life...... making love to Dimples was the most beautiful sex I ever had. I truely truely truely loved her. We discussed about having her return to singapore once her contract was due...... we were seriously discussing about having a life together... marriage perhaps.

Till this day I have never regretted loving her and believing her. That's was the punt that I willingly took....... no need for KC tests, no need for tipping waiter/esss as spies for me. I completely trusted her..... the way she talked to me, touch me, hold me, kissed me, teased me, loved me..... there was no doubt in my mind.

Shioke right!!!!....... well I lost the punt and made fool of myself...... Her transformation into a cold, callous, spiteful monster just happened within the 6 hours flight back to her home city. I've probably made 100s of phone calls and sent hundred of sms...... none answered nor replied except one which she accidentally pressed answer instead of reject. I could hear her voice at the background........but still not a word nor message from her ever since.

I knew I have been fooled..... but i just cannot believed that she can be such a brilliant actress.

Did I regret believing her? NO

Did I regret loving her? NO

Am I hurted? YES... and very much indeed. Untill this day, the very thought of her could cause a wrenching in my heart excruciating enough to drive tears out of my eyes.

Am I angry? Yes... thoughts of violence, revenge and abuse have entered my mind. With the way our world is connected, with money I am quite sure I can hunt her down even among the 1.4billion PRC population. But did i carry out the carnage?..... No, I need to move one. The more I think about her, the more bitter and broken I became.... the more it's eating me up.

I wished I could delete memories of her as easily as I delete a file from my hard disk. Unfortunately it is just not possible..... and thoughts of her still lingers and hurt when my mind becomes idle.

Haiz.... I am still recovering..... the more I thought I knew, did I realized that I don't know much. I hope our paths will not crossed again.... who knows I might give her a monumental slap as a greeting or perhaps I will loose it, turn weak and believe her excuses whatever they may be.

Enough have been said about out plight.... perhaps we should have less flaming and share how we can recover and heal the broken hearts...... moving on moving on.

Smeagol
29-01-2009, 06:26 PM
"I knew you were going back, and I thought I was prepared for it... but this is almost more than I can bear."

Her reply was short and sweet saying, "This is not the end... I am feeling unwell tonight...."

to be continued...

Please continue... camping here

U and me different.... I was crucified by my singer. I sincerely hope the same will not happen to you :o

DO_YOU_BJ
29-01-2009, 09:32 PM
Bro Smeagol, 1stly, welcome to this section of the forum, always see you on the HFJ thread.
2ndly, sorry to hear about your plight.
3rdly, there's nothing to be ashamed and embarrassed about posting your story here....it took GUTS....and i respect you for it...kudos bro

What you went thru, i'm sure many have also gone thru but you gotta remember the golden rule, they're here to earn money.
We give them what they need, they give us what we need.
Also, the fact that you mentioned above, is that she's not one of the very ANG BAI singers...that could be your cue on why she stuck to you and made you feel like you were in heaven.

Yes, you profess that you love her, this, believe you me, i trust you.
I'm sure the images and memories of those wonderful times you spent together will never leave, but it will heal bro...........time heals all wounds!
Like i posted many times before, cry your lungs out dude, as often as you wanna, and DO NOT BE ASHAMED to do it...everywhere and anywhere....its a way of self purging and self healing...............

Been there before, though not burnt financially but emotionally......so i really know how you feel...............the experience has changed me to a very sensitive emotional being.....now can even cry in movies when its a very touching scene...hahahahaha always freaking my wives out........

IMHO, be glad yours died a very fast death...rather than constantly being bothered about stories that dont add up over a long period of time and in the end, left in a deep black hole.........that can never be answered or covered.

If you need an ear to diahorrea of the mouth, a shoulder to cry on or someone to get silly drunk wif you, let me know.........till then, avoid HFJs till you're sure you're fully recovered else the tots of her will not stop ringing in your mind........

Take care bro;)

cablesnwires
29-01-2009, 09:41 PM
.....

Haiz.... I am still recovering..... the more I thought I knew, did I realized that I don't know much. I hope our paths will not crossed again.... who knows I might give her a monumental slap as a greeting or perhaps I will loose it, turn weak and believe her excuses whatever they may be.

Anger, you shall release. Peace, you shall have. The best scenario would be that you are seen with other singers in your arms, not to spite her, but that you are really over the whole thing, and enjoying every minute of it. :D

Enough have been said about out plight.... perhaps we should have less flaming and share how we can recover and heal the broken hearts...... moving on moving on.

That I agree, and thanks for sharing your experience, bro Smeagol. :)

yinyang
29-01-2009, 10:07 PM
.... I was crucified by my singer. I sincerely hope the same will not happen to you
Take heart, you survived "sudden death". Else, you might have bled a slow and painful one.

BlurWolfe
29-01-2009, 10:35 PM
Hi Bro,

Take care.

By actually sharing your experience, I think you already felt much better.

Time has already moved on, and I think living in way full of pain and anger also not worth it esp for these PRC WLs




I knew I have been fooled..... but i just cannot believed that she can be such a brilliant actress.

Am I hurted? YES... and very much indeed. Untill this day, the very thought of her could cause a wrenching in my heart excruciating enough to drive tears out of my eyes.

Enough have been said about out plight.... perhaps we should have less flaming and share how we can recover and heal the broken hearts...... moving on moving on.

Smeagol
29-01-2009, 10:55 PM
If you need an ear to diahorrea of the mouth, a shoulder to cry on or someone to get silly drunk wif you, let me know.........till then, avoid HFJs till you're sure you're fully recovered else the tots of her will not stop ringing in your mind........


你好肉麻!!!! :eek:
hfj so fun how can don't go?? :D But then once bitten forever shy.... that episode of my life was years ago. I don't think I will ever get emotionally attached to any Singers/KTV girls ever again.

To be frank, ever since..... I've never enjoyed that loving feeling again. Not sure it's because I've not met a better girl or was it because of the wound she left in me.

Boh pian..... I reaped what I sowed :o

DO_YOU_BJ
29-01-2009, 11:07 PM
你好肉麻!!!! :eek:
hfj so fun how can don't go?? :D But then once bitten forever shy.... that episode of my life was years ago. I don't think I will ever get emotionally attached to any Singers/KTV girls ever again.

To be frank, ever since..... I've never enjoyed that loving feeling again. Not sure it's because I've not met a better girl or was it because of the wound she left in me.

Boh pian..... I reaped what I sowed :o

For me, i went on 2 months of self healing leave and back to the HFJs again and had a boll..........still having fun actually
But still have my "LUVS" la and still enjoying it hehehehehe

cablesnwires
29-01-2009, 11:56 PM
...
To be frank, ever since..... I've never enjoyed that loving feeling again. Not sure it's because I've not met a better girl or was it because of the wound she left in me.

Boh pian..... I reaped what I sowed :o

Think about this way, that she wanted to end it quickly and swiftly, and not to suck you dry and hang you out.

Anyway, good for you. :)

lancer76
30-01-2009, 12:01 AM
Think about this way, that she wanted to end it quickly and swiftly, and not to suck you dry and hang you out.

Anyway, good for you. :)

I totally agree with you bro. To TS be glad that it's not a prolong agony.. Short pain is better than a long slow death bro.

Rorschach
30-01-2009, 12:33 AM
Bro DYBJ, thanks for all the input from you so far. She never asked me to support her or pay up her monthly quota but yes, I have been there during the times when she was stressed about this - and my heart always went out to her so I will hang a couple of hundred here and there. Not much as I am a salaried man afterall, but to me I just enjoyed seeing what I thought to be true gratefulness.

Come to think of it, the way she clasped the microphone and bowed slightly after the sash was worn for her despite our familiarity always made me slightly amused. It was as though she truly believed that her singing was worth $200 bucks a pop, hahaha!

Bro smeagol, thanks for sharing your story. In fact after reading it I decided to call her. Am not sure why but she picked up the phone and I could hear a very lively household playing mahjong even at night. She sounded happy to be around her loved ones, and maybe even to hear from me. I just told her that since she was busy, I would call another time.

I am no longer struggling so much with the question. It's a New Year and we should all move on.... will write the conclusion, only that it's a bit difficult now that the emotion with which I wrote the first few parts has largely been swept to a corner in my heart. Will dust away the cobwebs for some closure to the story thus far.... and hopefully none of you will see me in the same kind of anguish I was when I first started it ever again.

cablesnwires
30-01-2009, 12:33 AM
I totally agree with you bro. To TS be glad that it's not a prolong agony.. Short pain is better than a long slow death bro.

wahahahaha... kind of a hypocrite i am. i am no different. See my signature. :(

P/S: Not quite yet to share them yet, don't know when i will start a new thread on that... but i will....

haha...

colins
30-01-2009, 12:37 AM
你好肉麻!!!! :eek:
hfj so fun how can don't go?? :D But then once bitten forever shy.... that episode of my life was years ago. I don't think I will ever get emotionally attached to any Singers/KTV girls ever again.

To be frank, ever since..... I've never enjoyed that loving feeling again. Not sure it's because I've not met a better girl or was it because of the wound she left in me.

Boh pian..... I reaped what I sowed :o

Bro, I went thru the same story last year. When I first knew her, we were stuck together for her entire trip in sg. After the 5th day of homecoming, she disappeared. 6 months later, she suddenly came back while I was abroad, sourced out all communication channels and finally found my msn. Explained to me why she disappeared and made a promise not to disappear again. Second time she returned home, she kept her promise.

But after 2 weeks I broke up with her myself. I realised I know so little of her real self, objectively there is very little I can do to change that. There is only one eventual, which is to give up, she still need to work for money and will never be able to commit without sacrificing the main aim of her life, which is to make sure she earns enough while she is young. I took 2 weeks to recover but it is a process which I do not want to enjoy it one more time.

But of cos, you picked yourself up by now, so just like you to know that you're not the only one, and that since the eventual will ultimately come, your pain was actually lesser the way things turned out for you. ;)

pussyman72
30-01-2009, 03:36 AM
Bros

dont worry about being a shame about the gers cheated u or what... we all learn our lesson and we share..

who doesnt get burn b4. i dont believe lor or maybe time havent reach yet.. pple who think they are smarted then us who think they will never reach that stage think twice lor.

i use to know a guy who always think he is so handsome that gers like him n he think he very smart can cheat ger but ger cannot cheat him. one day he finally meet his match n got play out big time. what happen to him in the end. he got burn so badly that he cant work cant eat properly and cant sleep.

so never said u are expert. nobody are expert here thats including me. i also still get carrot like fark lol but i happy gum wan can liao of course lar if carrot me big big i run far far cos i know LOL small small i also know but so long not over doing it i simi lj also can so long i get my fark LOL.

we are all here sharing our experiences and also telling pple here dont any how clap hands with the gers too much in the end if u dont know how to handle or see in the end u are the person who will be in the pit.

so think carefully if u wanna go into a relationship with this gers. time n effort must be there n that's including MONEY. Just remember that if u think very simple I going to be careful money n still try to get the gers. pls forget it, after awhile the ger cant get what they wants they still move on.

cablesnwires
30-01-2009, 09:21 AM
....
so think carefully if u wanna go into a relationship with this gers. time n effort must be there n that's including MONEY. Just remember that if u think very simple I going to be careful money n still try to get the gers. pls forget it, after awhile the ger cant get what they wants they still move on.

bro pm72, this I agree 100%. On the money part, we are not advising any bros to splurge on the girls, just advising that the money is worth spending or spending it wisely.

As there is a saying, if a girl likes you, money will not be an issue. If the girl doesn't like you, no amount of money will change her feelings for you.

lancer76
30-01-2009, 05:57 PM
bro pm72, this I agree 100%. On the money part, we are not advising any bros to splurge on the girls, just advising that the money is worth spending or spending it wisely.

As there is a saying, if a girl likes you, money will not be an issue. If the girl doesn't like you, no amount of money will change her feelings for you.

Just saw a perfect example of that lastnite at a pub.. There was this drunk old man pastering a prc WL when i went into the pub. He got so desperate after awhile that he pull out a thick wad of $50 to her. Guess what she did, She threw a glass at him n was out of the pub.. Talk about total humiliation bros... That old man was so stunned by her action he as holding that thick wad of cash staring at the front door for afew mins.. LOL damn entertaining at 1st.. But his constant whining got on my nerves spoiling my mood..... sigh.

cablesnwires
30-01-2009, 06:04 PM
.... Guess what she did, She threw a glass at him n was out of the pub..

This might not be the end of what you saw. It is possible the prc WL is laying a KC trap on the old man... who knows? Prove to him that money is not everything to her... haha... :D

yinyang
30-01-2009, 06:12 PM
...think he very smart can cheat ger but ger cannot cheat him. one day he finally meet his match n got play out big time. what happen to him in the end. he got burn so badly that he cant work cant eat properly and cant sleep.
......so think carefully if u wanna go into a relationship with this gers. time n effort must be there n that's including MONEY. Just remember that if u think very simple I going to be careful money n still try to get the gers. pls forget it, after awhile the ger cant get what they wants they still move on.
PM, still live with your gospel that money lost (or burnt) is kinder than emotional tsunami?:p

pussyman72
30-01-2009, 08:32 PM
PM, still live with your gospel that money lost (or burnt) is kinder than emotional tsunami?:p

lol bro yes cos i been there n done that b4 :p of course old liao had to be more stingy then ever lol cannot anyhow spend $$$. emotion for me is nothing... heart harden cannot make me sad at all cos i expected. anyway it just a game :)

i still treat ger good the rest up to them wanna kc me hehehe wait long long :p

JWNY
31-01-2009, 05:30 PM
JWNY has no wisdom to share...but there will be many "questions" - how much of the truth can you handle or accept?

to have a good future you must forget her past...

good luck to thy whom seeks thee path :)

JWNY

GreenHorny
12-02-2009, 11:00 PM
Yeah, i agree with bros who say time will heal all wounds..
in another way, love fades with time as well.
no matter how much you in love with any gal, after 3 years of sweet honeymoon, it will end. what you feel isno longer passion, is just the very fact that you are too accustomed to having her besides u...i wont say all, but most.

Rorschach
15-02-2009, 11:27 PM
My bad. I cannot complete the story because the chapter has not been closed... she will be returning to Singapore even though agent fees are very expensive and the economic situation doesn't appear to be picking up.

Every now and then I log onto QQ with her and we pick up where we left off.

I am afraid to let her go, she is afraid to let me down. Yes, I am in it for the ride, and my vulnerability to her leaves me treading on the edge of disaster.

"My candle burns at both ends;
It will not last the night;
But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends—
It gives a lovely light!"

cablesnwires
16-02-2009, 12:14 AM
Bro Rorschach,

There is this WL that I know who had asked me this:

"What is your 目标? What is it that you want in this relationship? And what do you expect at the end of the whole thing?"

I pose this question to you, and whether practicality rules over your dream or vice-versa..

Good luck to you Bro Rorschach. I hope you will be able to find what you are looking for. :)

Rorschach
16-02-2009, 12:24 AM
Hi bro,

No expectations, I am only in it for the ride. The feelings are as real as they can be (shrouded in half truths on both our sides) and I believe I will find closure eventually once I grow bored and tired of her, or vice versa.

The roller-coaster ride has only completed one loop, now it's time to hang on until it ends, because you can see that there is still some ways to go until the ride grinds to a halt and other people hop in.

Only thing now is that I'm determined to exit the ride with a smile on my face, knowing that this would be possibly one of the most interesting experiences of my life....

DO_YOU_BJ
16-02-2009, 12:39 AM
Only thing now is that I'm determined to exit the ride with a smile on my face, knowing that this would be possibly one of the most interesting experiences of my life....

Allow me to modify your last paragraph to something more realistic.

The only thing now is that I'm so KCed and in love wif her, knowing that this would be the most traumatic, unforgettable, life changing experiences in my life and I hope that i can leave wif a smile.

Good luck my friend, a relationship wif a WL is the most toxic and life changing adventures one can ever go through. Filled wif bottomless pits, questions that can never be answered, things that logic cannot explain, missing pieces of a puzzle that can never be completed.................

Just remember, when that day comes, be strong & focused in pulling yourself up again fast.

Guess bros here no need to advise you what to do now but how to purge yourself of this toxin once its over.

Enjoy while u still can cos there's lots more to come.

slider_72
16-02-2009, 10:18 AM
Sigh, another one bites the dust.

DO_YOU_BJ
16-02-2009, 05:20 PM
And so the list goes on & on & on

Hulunbeier
16-02-2009, 08:53 PM
Hi TS

It is gonna be another 2 years! U know what 2 years mean? If u were enlisted before from zero chin ups to 10 chin ups...whow!

Hmmm...my situation is somewhat similar but dun think I wanna commit cause damn 2 years...I am just asking after 1.99 years what is going to happen when she said Thank you for the time, the love that u have given and taken good care of me...and I really need to go to where I belonged....Hmmm...that time u wanna continue and said u wanna give up the Finance Industry and teach English???

Mine is coming here soon....
I asked her hey...how come only today u pick up the phone?

She replied....I have been playing MJ and no one looks for me here....so no need to carry that HP.
I am now at the place u googled and I am colouring my hair now!

She is coming home! And she used this phrase....
You never go partying huh?

I wonder to myself....U Never....not like...did u go partying?

I know I am tracked! But it is ok!


Question to TS>>>>>>>>>
Will you be the one to pick her up and also the one to patronise her on her first night of work?

Thanks.

cablesnwires
16-02-2009, 09:46 PM
Sigh, another one bites the dust.

I beg to differ, if brother Rorschach is able to pick himself up after this, I would say that he will have gained invaluable experiences in his life. :)

DO_YOU_BJ
16-02-2009, 11:00 PM
Bro C&W, i also beg to doffer.
Most if not all EX-KC victims will pick themselves up.......remember, most not all cos we physically know some who are still wallowing on the pasat after years since it ended.
Read what the typed carefully & try to use your emotional side to understand what is written........then it will be clear to you why i said what i said, why Slider said what he did.........
It's filled with 希望and a closing wif a smile on the face....that already rebutts your statement bro........no offense hor....认事不认人

Harvest
16-02-2009, 11:55 PM
Most bros will never learn their lessons... history has proven time and again. Bite the dust already still bite again 2nd time, 3rd time etc.

I used to have 2 cheonging buddies some years back. The first tried a PRC FL and fell straight into her KC trap, which led to a constant stream of $$ TT to shanghai to fund her "divorce fees", "abortion fees", property purchase etc. When the whole saga is finally over becuz she has wiped out his whole life's savings, he fell for a cat150 WL... booked multiple sessions with her just to chat, bought her expensive gifts, gave her generous tips... using DEBT! Now the cat150 girl has disappeared from GL and refused to answer his calls. And he is still clinging onto the hope that they can be together again someday... while struggling to pay off his debt.

The 2nd buddy also fell for a cat150 girl, spent most of his pay check to book her for multiple sessions (without bonking!), buy her expensive gifts etc only to wake up many months later when he realised she is not reciprocating his feelings for her. Then he fell for a FL...also went into debt just to finance her monthly rentals, living & misc expenses and paid for a property using his hard-earned 3-months bonus. He became so deep in debt that he nearly became bankrupt... me and another bro had to assist him on and off so that he could stay afloat financially. Now he has lost his job due to the financial crisis and the FL just dumped him like dirt!

Mind you - these 2 jokers have a Master's degree each! :eek: Sometimes I wonder why they study so much for f**k!?? (No offense to bros with Master's degree here!)

So the story goes on and on... the cycle repeats every season with new players on board and some things never change. :rolleyes:

DO_YOU_BJ
17-02-2009, 01:56 AM
Sometimes I wonder why they study so much for f**k!??

Book smart does not equate to street smart.
These are not to in school!

pussyman72
17-02-2009, 02:06 AM
have a Master's degree each! :eek:
So the story goes on and on... the cycle repeats every season with new players on board and some things never change.

i dont see any links between relationship n certification :confused:

so what study till phd. does it mean the person wont kanna kc? does it mean a person who dont study will kanna kc???

no logic at all....:cool:

the story goes on n on with new players is bcos they dont understand the game play. that doesnt mean the old play understand fully about the game play also. it up to individual to decide how he or she wanna play this game. if wanna play real game then the person choose to gamble his choice.... while others rather to play small time n then give up after enjoy what they want.

once again my fav saying. It takes 2 hands to clap. u choose the path dont blame anyone but urself. Reason simple No Money No Honey, Got Money Got CB Honey" :D

colins
17-02-2009, 04:49 AM
The fact is the more you study for just qualifications, the more you rely on logic from books. One day, like planet pluto is no longer classified as a planet, your world falls apart cos some smart alec just debunk everything you believed in. The pursue of knowledge doesn't necessary mean the understanding of how the society operates.

EtherC
17-02-2009, 10:01 AM
Most bros will never learn their lessons... history has proven time and again. Bite the dust already still bite again 2nd time, 3rd time etc.

Mind you - these 2 jokers have a Master's degree each! :eek: Sometimes I wonder why they study so much for f**k!?? (No offense to bros with Master's degree here!)

So the story goes on and on... the cycle repeats every season with new players on board and some things never change. :rolleyes:

Intelligence deals primarily with tangible, material things we see and touch whereas wisdom is related to such intangible subjects as courage, devotion, love, patience and the like.Intelligence is to be used; wisdom is to be attained. An intelligent man may be proud of his intelligence, but a wise man is wise enough to be humble. An intelligent man researches for facts, but a wise man searches for truth. There are countless millions of intelligent people in the world but only a handful of wise men. Hence we have more side problems created when intelligent people are put to work solving singular problems given to them. We have the nuclear reactors for "clean" power but at the same time we get situations like Chernobyl and the problems of storing radioactive waste that can have half lives of tens to billions of years.

Even professors can get embroiled in KC traps let alone masters holders.

slider_72
17-02-2009, 10:35 AM
I beg to differ, if brother Rorschach is able to pick himself up after this, I would say that he will have gained invaluable experiences in his life. :)

Bro, I think we will all eventually get over a failed relationship .... eventually. Some take a few months, others take a few decades. Whether or not that experience is invaluable only the protoganist will be able to tell.

Bro Rorschach had a opportunity to steer his life back on track when his girl left. From his later posts, you could see that he was on the path to recovery, less miserable and more clear-headed. Suddenly the girl appeared again and announced that she is coming back.

He is aware that nothing good is going to come out from it. Hence the little ditty about the candle being burnt on both ends. Its like he knows he is going to smash his head against the wall, again, but he is not doing anything to save himself.

Surely the bitterness and misery he felt when she first left was not forgotten. Instead of taking proper action and steering his vessel to avoid a collission and pass port to port, our friend here is steering his vessel on a direct collision course, abandon all look-out, switching off his radar and proceeding at full steam.

That is why I said another one bites the dust. Not so much because he was KCed, but rather, instead of picking himself up and moving on with his life, he is jumping back into the abyss that he is still not completely out of yet.

Harvest
17-02-2009, 11:18 AM
i dont see any links between relationship n certification :confused:

so what study till phd. does it mean the person wont kanna kc? does it mean a person who dont study will kanna kc???

no logic at all....:cool:
...
Reason simple No Money No Honey, Got Money Got CB Honey" :D

Thaz exactly my point, bro. They started off in life as highly promising master's grads commanding a respectable income in their respective careers. So what I'm trying to say here is that even a small KC leak can sink a respectable Titanic over time. The course of their sagas did not just happen overnight, of course; the whole RTF, KC, seduction to denial process happened over many months (and even years) tearing down their common sense defenses moment by moment, like a typical Hong Kong drama serial... :rolleyes:

You are right to say that there is no logic at all. I merely stated the education cert thing here to remind bros who are in similar situations not to have the illusion that their academic achievements serves as a strong defense mechanism against KC traps just because "they have the brains" and the job security to fall back on during good times.

Once again, no offense to any bros who are highly qualified academically. I'm just a chao ah beng w/o even a spectacle degree but I've seen too many of such instances in my years of cheonging so just speaking my mind out.

yinyang
17-02-2009, 01:01 PM
..Instead of taking proper action and steering his vessel to avoid a collission and pass port to port, our friend here is steering his vessel on a direct collision course, abandon all look-out, switching off his radar and proceeding at full steam.
That is why I said another one bites the dust..
Man overboard? Shades of titanic:p
..illusion that their academic achievements serves as a strong defense mechanism against KC traps just because "they have the brains" and the job security to fall back on during good times.
Intelligence deals primarily with tangible, material things we see and touch whereas wisdom is related to such intangible subjects as courage, devotion, love, patience and the like....countless millions of intelligent people in the world but only a handful of wise men.
Even professors can get embroiled in KC traps let alone masters holders.
Aptly put, some consensus here that KC is academically blind:D:p

Charmaine
17-02-2009, 09:54 PM
the education cert thing here to remind bros who are in similar situations not to have the illusion that their academic achievements serves as a strong defense mechanism against KC traps just because "they have the brains" and the job security to fall back on during good times.

Love knows no boundaries.

I'm 31, a local graduate, hold down a decent position in a Singapore company (if you must know, I'm in a managerial capacity earning what I hope would be considered respectable wages in today's uncertain times), never had a girlfriend who wasn't Singaporean before 2007 (there were 4 of them before her) and I'm currently head over heels in love with a 29 year-old Thai-Chinese who used to work in a nightclub entertaining men for a living. She's never had a decent education but has the most beautiful heart this side of the planet. And yes, she's smoking hot. That certainly helped my decision along.

I've KC-ed, followed through the whole "Thai girls are nothing but money launderers and emotional trappers" thought process but lived to tell the tale. Funny thing is, I've enjoyed every minute of the ride and I've never regretted falling in love with her. She's never regretted choosing me as well.

Nobody cares about what you've achieved in life or how supposedly "susceptible" you are to doing the right thing emotionally. When it comes to love, every dude is the same. And that's the beauty if it, really!

Harvest
17-02-2009, 10:39 PM
Love knows no boundaries.
...
Nobody cares about what you've achieved in life or how supposedly "susceptible" you are to doing the right thing emotionally. When it comes to love, every dude is the same. And that's the beauty if it, really!

I agree that Love knows no boundaries, thaz why we have people like Mother Theresa and many other selfless souls reaching out to the destitute and making a difference in the world.

Love is also blind, bro. When my ex-cheonging buddy burnt his bonus to pay for his FL gf's property down payment, I've no doubt that it was done in the name of love. And when he almost became bankrupt, how did he feel? "No regrets" was the answer. Now he has lost his job, his girl, and is seeking treatment for depression. Did he do the right thing emotionally? You tell me. :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to pour cold water on any bros who are graduates/have high academic achievements so pls don't get me wrong. I'm just generalizing a trend that I've been observing.

DO_YOU_BJ
18-02-2009, 02:11 AM
When my ex-cheonging buddy burnt his bonus to pay for his FL gf's property down payment, I've no doubt that it was done in the name of love. And when he almost became bankrupt, how did he feel? "No regrets" was the answer. Now he has lost his job, his girl, and is seeking treatment for depression. Did he do the right thing emotionally? You tell me. :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to pour cold water on any bros who are graduates/have high academic achievements so pls don't get me wrong. I'm just generalizing a trend that I've been observing.

I totally agree wif wat u said more than anything.
Many will say the usual..."MINE IS DIFFERENT!!"
But end up, all the same.............
All on route 666

pussyman72
18-02-2009, 05:33 AM
Bro, I think we will all eventually get over a failed relationship .... eventually. Some take a few months, others take a few decades. Whether or not that experience is invaluable only the protoganist will be able to tell.

instead of picking himself up and moving on with his life, he is jumping back into the abyss that he is still not completely out of yet.

been there n done that before so i know how it like.... ;)

i dont hide my past... i understand very much about this kind of relationship.... it takes me 6 yrs to recover from the first KC. in btn still play but never get hook.... so i know how it feel... i blame the ger very much like the rest of the bros who got burn b4.

After thinking alot, i know where i stand n i also know it takes 2 hands to clap so i cant blame the gers except me...

2nd ger kills me again but im prepare for it. still hurts but not as bad... takes me less then 1 mth to recover..

now lol i will my 3rd one we have many ups and down. she stick with me even when i was jobless. so im fine till now....

at present im playing 2 viet gers, 2 of them initial sex is $$ and now never ask $$$ from me even after sex. they playing fishing game. i too playing the fishing game...... no matter what they will not be the winner... of course there is no such thing as free lunch. i still pay for dinner and be driver but in the end i still get what i want... pussies :)

anyway it up to the person. if he decide to choose a doom path nobody can help him but himself... talk alot is useless cos in the end he is the one who suffer not us... just dont come here cry about it can liao..

sorry i dont feel pity for them cos they know what is coming for them n if they wanna bang head then no point asking for advice, etc.....

slider_72
18-02-2009, 03:37 PM
i dont hide my past... i understand very much about this kind of relationship.... it takes me 6 yrs to recover from the first KC. in btn still play but never get hook.... so i know how it feel... i blame the ger very much like the rest of the bros who got burn b4.

Hahaha. In this regard, I am quite different from you bro. I don't blame the girls, I blame myself. Each time I kanna KCed is self-KCed. Hahaha. Guess I am a masochist when it comes to these things.

pussyman72
19-02-2009, 07:55 PM
Hahaha. In this regard, I am quite different from you bro. I don't blame the girls, I blame myself. Each time I kanna KCed is self-KCed. Hahaha. Guess I am a masochist when it comes to these things.

lol that was my first kc burn ma LOL after i wakeup i see the light liao LOL but i still love to be KC but now i dont blame the gers LOL cos i love to play with kc anyway even really kanna KC i wont blames gers, i blame myself for being kc :p;)

Rorschach
23-03-2009, 10:31 PM
I am reviving this thread to continue to relate a tale... In the words of the late Aaliyah - if at first you don't succeed, then dust yourself off and try again. Pity I never got to complete it ;)

(Sorry for the rather obscure R&B reference, it should be quite obvious to most of you all that I am damn jiak kantang so for a PRC girl to have cast a spell on me...well, she's really something. )
================================================== ===

It was just a few weeks back that I was told that I needed to attend to something in Hong Kong. My heart soared - the air seemed fresher, the leaves on the trees seemed greener, and I could even smile at the grumpy auntie whom I buy coffee from every morning.

I wasted no time texting her - I would be in HK during these days, would love to meet you in either ZH or SZ if you can make your way down from GZ. She said, "Sure, let's meet in ZH over the weekend".

And so it came to pass. I woke up early on Saturday morning and practically ran to catch the nearest train to Sheung Wan MTR station to take an early ferry to Macau, from which I would cross the Gongbei border over to Zhuhai.

The weather was still relatively cold at that time of the year, and because I usually pack light, all I brought along with me was a comfortable T-shirt that I usually sleep in - I wasn't intending to get much sleep with her anyway, ha ha.

When I reached Macau around 10 am on Saturday morning, (after clearing my Inbox from the shitload of SMS advertisements from the casinos), I called her.

My heart sank. She was not yet in ZH. She was still in GZ and my phone call had roused her from her stupor. The damn girl was playing 斗地主 with her friends for the past two nights and said that she hadn't slept in over 48 hours. She told me that she was intending to take the bus down after lunch and she was really excited to see me.

I was cursing inside at the prospect of being played out and said to her, "I wish you would have told me earlier - if you are not interested in coming just let me know."

She protested at this saying, "Qin ai de, I am really coming down to be with you, why not you call me the moment you are in ZH, check yourself in somewhere and let me know where it is?"

I said, "Ok... but if you play me out I will be very, very upset with you."

She said playfully in the girlish way that I adore so much, "You don't need to! Because I will be seeing you later today!"

I smiled in spite of myself, and headed off to have my breakfast at Wynn Macau.

FL Lover
24-03-2009, 12:37 AM
Love is also blind, bro. When my ex-cheonging buddy burnt his bonus to pay for his FL gf's property down payment, I've no doubt that it was done in the name of love. And when he almost became bankrupt, how did he feel? "No regrets" was the answer.

To those who are DESPERATELY in love now. To you, everything is worth it just to see her smile, laugh n jumping around after she knew what you have done for her in term of $$, efforts and time.

Have you ever ask yourself whether it is worth that much WHEN you received your CREDIT CARDS bills, BANK ACCOUNTS statements? Have you asked yourself if she is really in love with you or just playing the game?

There are times that we men must know what is our limits and what is not within our limits... To you, she is yor love one.. $$ should not be an issue... But ask yourself, ARE YOU SURE THAT SHE IS THE RIGHT ONE FOR YOU?

Like I always says, if a girl really likes you. She dont need you to give her diamonds or CK bags or Bunglows.... SHE JUST LIKE YOU AS WHAT YOU ARE...

DONT BUY LOVE WITH $$... IT WILL END WHEN ONEDAY YOU DO NOT HAVE $$ FOR HER....

cablesnwires
24-03-2009, 01:04 PM
I am reviving this thread to continue to relate a tale...

Hope this is not the end of the tale.

aczeta76
25-03-2009, 11:01 AM
To those who are DESPERATELY in love now. To you, everything is worth it just to see her smile, laugh n jumping around after she knew what you have done for her in term of $$, efforts and time.

Have you ever ask yourself whether it is worth that much WHEN you received your CREDIT CARDS bills, BANK ACCOUNTS statements? Have you asked yourself if she is really in love with you or just playing the game?

There are times that we men must know what is our limits and what is not within our limits... To you, she is yor love one.. $$ should not be an issue... But ask yourself, ARE YOU SURE THAT SHE IS THE RIGHT ONE FOR YOU?

Like I always says, if a girl really likes you. She dont need you to give her diamonds or CK bags or Bunglows.... SHE JUST LIKE YOU AS WHAT YOU ARE...

DONT BUY LOVE WITH $$... IT WILL END WHEN ONEDAY YOU DO NOT HAVE $$ FOR HER....

True true...

Always approach with Eyes wide shut and think of your own future in such age of uncertainty... if not wealth issues, health issues...

Who will be by your side when u are sick...

Having said that, always easier to preach then do...thankfully for me, age gap is the "waking up" alarm for me and though I no longer harbour thoughts of having her mind, body and soul...I still want to see her smile.

So...such is the willing victim...Redeeming point is I am still doing it sober and way way within my means...

Still get horny when i pass by some pretty chicks but now, I either F and F off or dun F at all.... no phone numbers exchanged too so no issues...

:p

Some little bird told me that SG guys have boring lifes and hence we look for WL and dream of r/s with them...

I dunno if it applies to all but for me, I dun bonk or think of WL 24/7... work and personal life with friends still feature strongly (exception is now I think about her more and more)... so best to errect defences and run away while making sure she is well taken care of...

Life is short so no harm being a wee lil' sucker for a while...karmic debts perhaps

DO_YOU_BJ
25-03-2009, 01:21 PM
Life is short so no harm being a wee lil' sucker for a while...karmic debts perhaps

Self justifications for your actions...power sia.............

kukulee
27-03-2009, 03:38 AM
I got a friend, an 35+ age friend. he is unmarried yet, He's worry due to age getting older and still couldn't find any girlfriend in singapore since his 20 age due to his work..

but he share with me his experience he know a thai WL for about 2 year. which mean from the start when the WL work here, my friend already choose her until now. Right now her contract is going finish and is going back soon, but my friend question me this i really dunno what to answer so i would like to ask those people who experience this before to share with me? or with all the brother who are also seeking for the answer.

Is it true thai Ex WL cannot get married in Singapore? As in legal way. No backdoor. *Cos she can't make new identification passport and already has her finger print scan into computer already before step in singapore *

Please advise.